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I never liked Pete Best..
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meanmistermustard

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3 October 2013 - 12.14am

No worries.  I'd answered the source in my last post as an edit so I didn't post twice in a row. I wouldn't pay any attention to what the fans billed them as.

The Beatles also featured Stu singing his number and he got attention too (Astrid being one). No doubt they got jealous as they were four young men who wanted to get some action and it very well could have been a factor but we cannot simply ignore the fact that Ringo was deemed to be the best drummer in Liverpool by many. He played in the best band at the time as well, Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, and had his Starr Time section.

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3 October 2013 - 12.44am

I have no problem with your viewpoint. However, Ringo and Pete did have different styles of drumming. Ringo began as a straight rock'n'roll drummer, with a country twist. Pete came up with his own style of drumming, that he called the "Atom Beat". So, when George Martin first saw them, he saw a drummer that wouldn't work in the studio with the front line of the band he heard, and they had the problem of his refusal to adopt their identity, who wanted to stand apart from them image-wise.

The question that needs to be asked is whether Pete could ever have developed into the drummer we hear on Rain, Tomorrow Never KnowsStrawberry Fields, A Day In The Life or countless others. I would argue no.

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meanmistermustard

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3 October 2013 - 12.48am

Wasn't the fact that Ringo played left handed meant his style of drumming was different to everyone else, like how he got to the snare or drum rolls. I'm sure Ringo himself alluded to that somewhere, possibly the Anthology.

Personally I think that Pete was a good drummer in a pool (no pun intended) where drummers were hard to find, and keep if you were the Beatles. The Beatles needed a drummer for Germany and Pete got the job and then they all developed as a band. They found thru playing and hanging out with Ringo he fitted better (and they knew his reputation as a fine drummer) and they eventually knew they wanted Ringo but were happy to keep Pete (why rock the boat?). George kept pushing for the change and come George Martin and EMI the decision was forced upon them, so they acted. It was crap on Pete and could have been handled so much better but history proves it was the right decision/move. None of that says Pete was garbage.

And no I don't believe Pete would have become such a great drummer to provide the playing on tracks like Rain.

 

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3 October 2013 - 1.06am

meanmistermustard said
Wasn't the fact that Ringo played left handed meant his style of drumming was different to everyone else, like how he got to the snare or drum rolls. I'm sure Ringo himself alluded to that somewhere, possibly the Anthology.

Personally I think that Pete was a good drummer in a pool (no pun intended) where drummers were hard to find, and keep if you were the Beatles. The Beatles needed a drummer for Germany and Pete got the job and then they all developed as a band. They found thru playing and hanging out with Ringo he fitted better (and they knew his reputation as a fine drummer) and they eventually knew they wanted Ringo but were happy to keep Pete (why rock the boat?). George kept pushing for the change and come George Martin and EMI the decision was forced upon them, so they acted. It was crap on Pete and could have been handled so much better but history proves it was the right decision/move. None of that says Pete was garbage.

And no I don't believe Pete would have become such a great drummer to provide the playing on tracks like Rain.

Ringo talks about his special sound in this interview with Conan. Agree totally with your take on Pete v. Ringo. Nothing against Pete, and the lads were big cowards not to talk to him themselves when they sacked him. But thank goodness for Ringo. He was just what they needed.

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3 October 2013 - 3.51am

It's a bit tricky to say that Martin didn't want Best with the band, he himself has said he was shocked when they let him go. Also, Ringo was replaced by Andy White on "Love Me Do". I'd chalk it up to the recording engineers being used to big band types who were steady as a rock and that's what they wanted to work with.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that listening to these Beeb tracks, it's apparent that Best was more than a capable drummer and gets knocked around undeservedly, IMHO.

 

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3 October 2013 - 11.03am

Whilst George Martin didn't say sack Pete he did say he'd get a session drummer for the recording studios, it was another nail in Pete's Beatle playing coffin. George would never have messed with their line-up in a live setting, it was outside of his remit and even interest.

The Ringo Love Me Do thing is strange and all mixed up due to the dates. Its confusing that if George Martin was going to replace Pete with Andy White for the next session on the 4th September why was it not till the 11th that he turned up.

Ringo's drumming recording was released as the single back in '62 before it was switched in '63 to Andy White on drums, possibly to match the Please Please Me LP which had Andy on it.

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3 October 2013 - 2.53pm

Maybe John wanted this image of a band made from four working class lads from Liverpool (we know john was middle class) and thought Pete didn't fit in with that image...

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