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I never liked Pete Best..
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JET!
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28 April 2011 - 6.17am

I think I read somewhere that when John, Paul, and George got their classic haircuts, Pete just couldn't let go of his teddy boy (?) image. His badass image. That was the physical part of him just not fitting in, and helped the general consensus that he just had to go.

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30 April 2011 - 1.28am

I agree, he HAD to go, and be replaced with Ringo!!!!!!a-hard-days-night-ringo-10

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StrawberryLakiesha
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30 April 2011 - 4.53am

Because destiny was calling and so that's why Pete was kicked out!!!a-hard-days-night-paul-1

ONE MINUTE YOU'RE DEFENDING THE WHOLE GALAXY, AND SUDDENLY, YOU FIND YOURSELF SUCKING DOWN DARJEELING WITH MARIE ANTOINETTE AND HER LITTLE SISTER.!

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mr. Sun king coming together
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30 April 2011 - 4.32pm

Why is Pete more of a villian for milking it then Emerick, Peter Brown, or anyone else?

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

JojosCoolCherryCream
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30 April 2011 - 7.55pm

I don't know...It might be because the Beatles were and are the most famous band ever!!!!! But I don't really know...a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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StrawberryLakiesha
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1 May 2011 - 7.58am

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Why is Pete more of a villian for milking it then Emerick, Peter Brown, or anyone else?

I think it's probably becuase people think that he's trying to make it seem like he was better than Ringo or something and people get real defensive over that, probably! Also becuase he doesn't milk himself with as much intresting stuff as people like Geoff Emerick and Peter Brown do.

ONE MINUTE YOU'RE DEFENDING THE WHOLE GALAXY, AND SUDDENLY, YOU FIND YOURSELF SUCKING DOWN DARJEELING WITH MARIE ANTOINETTE AND HER LITTLE SISTER.!

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mithveaen
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1 May 2011 - 5.51pm

StrawberryLakiesha said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Why is Pete more of a villian for milking it then Emerick, Peter Brown, or anyone else?

I think it's probably becuase people think that he's trying to make it seem like he was better than Ringo or something and people get real defensive over that, probably!

 

That truly makes a lot of sense.

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

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mr. Sun king coming together
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1 May 2011 - 5.55pm

StrawberryLakiesha said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Why is Pete more of a villian for milking it then Emerick, Peter Brown, or anyone else?

I think it's probably becuase people think that he's trying to make it seem like he was better than Ringo or something and people get real defensive over that, probably! Also becuase he doesn't milk himself with as much intresting stuff as people like Geoff Emerick and Peter Brown do.

That's true. But he did get a very shitty deal.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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mithveaen
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1 May 2011 - 5.57pm

Of course. What I say is that many people wish the Beatles had stayed in their Cavern era. And with Cavern I mean the place a-hard-days-night-paul-2

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

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mr. Sun king coming together
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1 May 2011 - 6.03pm

There was certainly a big wish among the Liverpudlians that they remain a local band.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

JojosCoolCherryCream
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4 May 2011 - 5.30am

Yeah. But I'm glad that they went on, and DIDN'T stay in the Cavern era a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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I Me Mine
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16 August 2011 - 11.46am

49 years ago today (16th August 1962) Pete Best was sacked from the Beatles. /1962/08/16/pete-best-is-sacked-from-the-beatles/

I saw it on greek Wikipedia:

The Beatles manager Rhyan Ebstein (!!!) sacks from the group Pete Best, the drummer, and hires Ringo Starr.

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Sont des mots qui vont très bien ensemble.

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IMDeWalrus
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16 August 2011 - 7.03pm

I've always felt sorry for Pete Best — I mean, imagine you were kicked out of the office lottery pool the day before the staff hit the jackpot.  Pete spent two years slogging through those marathon gigs in Hamburg and Liverpool, only to be told on the eve of their incredible success that he wasn't good enough.   I don't blame him at all for trying to get something out of it, nor do I blame his mother for putting it around that the only reason he was dumped was because the others were jealous of his popularity with the girls (she was his mother, after all!).   I think he was basically a nice guy, and his dismissal was not handled well at all. Lord knows how I would have handled the years of Beatlemania if I was in his position.

Having said all that, I think it's pretty clear John, Paul and George made the right decision in replacing him with Ringo.  All we can really go on is what's on record, and Pete's drumming on the Tony Sheridan sessions in Hamburg and the Decca audition in London was competent but unremarkable, and it sounded pretty clunky and obtrusive on the version of "Love Me Do" they performed for George Martin in June.  Based on that, Martin didn't want Best on drums for their first recordings… but I don't really think that was the only factor in Pete's termination, since Martin didn't want Ringo either when he heard him play in September and The Beatles didn't turn around and fire Ringo. 

I think it had as much to do with personality — and to watch Pete in interviews over the years, it seems clear to me he didn't fit in at all with the other three, whereas Ringo matched up perfectly.  In fact, during The Beatles' first triumphant visit to the US, Ringo was one of the darlings of the reporters, who loved his down-to-earth wit  – and of the girls, who loved his "poor mutt" look up there on the drums.  If Pete had been a permanent member of the band, George Harrison never would have been known as "the Quiet Beatle". 

And I honestly can't imagine Pete adapting his style to match some of the quirky and original rhythm patterns established as The Beatles progressed — especially on some of John's mid-period songs like "She Said She Said", "Rain" and the monumental "A Day In The Life".  

No, I think Ringo was the perfect drummer for The Beatles, and history was written the way it should have been.

Still, I'm glad Pete was at last able to rake in some money when his drumming was finally released officially by The Beatles on Anthology 1.  

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2 October 2013 - 6.44pm

I would like to present a document which clearly indicates that in no way was Best not up to the task musically. Unfortunately, most people only base their conclusions of Pete in regards to the Decca audition tape and"Love Me Do" EMI performance. This is rather unfortunate, the Decca audition is perhaps The Beatles at their worst in terms of performance and song selection. It is widely known that Brian Epstein selected the numbers and told the boys to hold back on the "raunch" in order to guess at what the recording executives would expect or what they wanted to hear from a professional band of the time. As such, the entire band gives a rather limp performance with "September in The Rain" being the only track (to my ears) that they are playing relaxed on at all.

The Best version of "Love Me Do" is often maligned, perhaps rightfully so - but one should keep in mind that the version of the song The Beatles were playing at that time included time shifts akin to Bruce Channel's "Hey Baby". In fact, it was Channel who inspired Lennon to pick up the harmonica in the first place, as they toured together in GB. Couple that with the fact that the recording engineer, unfamiliar with rock'n'roll drumming, was requesting Pete try various beats of which he was unable to (he later admitted on film that Ringo would probably not been up to the task either). Additionally, McCartney was now doing the singing for the first time over the (now included) harmonica bits...all these factors were a recipe for a unsatisfactory session.

To the recordings in question - after listening to the first 6 songs of this video/link, in which Pete Best is playing drums, it's my opinion that he was just as capable as Starr and in no way brought down the level of the band. His much-maligned playing ability has been based around an incorrect assumption.

Enjoy, listen objectively and see what you think!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....xEquwlZNGQ

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2 October 2013 - 9.38pm

Pete wasn't a bad drummer, Ringo was just better, something which nearly everyone in Liverpool agreed at the time. Lets not forget that the Beatles (with Pete) would also have been nervous recording for the BBC, certainly in March '62, as well as at Decca.

 

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2 October 2013 - 10.33pm

Listening to these tracks, I just don't hear any thing "less" about them than the versions recorded with Ringo shortly after...I've heard many times that Pete was one of the most admired drummers around Liverpool...so it all gets a bit confusing what to believe.

My personal opinion is that his sacking was predominantly due to personality differences, but the icing on the cake for the rest of them was his popularity/having the band billed as Pete Best & The Beatles at times, forcing John,Paul & George to play behind him,etc. I think that got the best of their (young) egos and contributed to his demise within the band.

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2 October 2013 - 10.56pm

What!!!? Show me one place where they billed as "Pete Best & The Beatles" (apart from maybe the Casbah). If you can name gigs where they were billed as you claim, I will drop to my knees and tell you I am not worthy, as I have never seen that billing ANYWHERE!

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

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2 October 2013 - 11.49pm

mja6758 said
What!!!? Show me one place where they billed as "Pete Best & The Beatles" (apart from maybe the Casbah). If you can name gigs where they were billed as you claim, I will drop to my knees and tell you I am not worthy, as I have never seen that billing ANYWHERE!

You are probably right my friend and I stand corrected - it were the fans who had started referring to them as such:

go to about 11:23 of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....AXEo#t=684

also interesting:

very last paragraph:

http://www.beatlesagain.com/wh.....tle-4.html

 

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meanmistermustard

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2 October 2013 - 11.51pm

Never heard of the band ever being billed as "Pete Best and The Beatles" and whilst I may be wrong I cannot see John standing for that in the slightest. It was his band not Pete's, when there was a star billing it was Long John and The Silver Beatles (or Beatals or whatever it was at that time) because John was the leader and the others knew it. John would never have stood back and seen himself being relegated to any understudy position, he more than likely would have told whoever made the suggestion to fuck off even if it was promoters and then not play in the pre-Brian days. And I cant see Brian allowing it under his watch with his boys.

All my opinion and if im wrong fine, always happy to learn. What's the source?

 

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Ok, found the clip (its at around the 12 min mark) and sorry but that document sounds like its been spun like its a Party Political Broadcast, "When Pete Best joined the Beatles they were a bum band nobody wanted. Less than a year later they were the most popular band in 2 different cities in 2 different countries." Pete was hired because the Beatles had gotten a gig in Germany and needed a drummer. It wasn't because of Pete they became tighter and better, it was night after night playing for hours on end in hostile environments and had to put on a rocking show to get people in to drink.

As for the Paul comment i'd have to see it in Wingspan.

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3 October 2013 - 12.05am

meanmistermustard said
Never heard of the band ever being billed as "Pete Best and The Beatles" and whilst I may be wrong I cannot see John standing for that in the slightest. It was his band not Pete's, when there was a star billing it was Long John and The Silver Beatles (or Beatals or whatever it was at that time) because John was the leader and the others knew it. John would never have stood back and seen himself being relegated to any understudy position, he more than likely would have told whoever made the suggestion to fuck off even if it was promoters and then not play in the pre-Brian days. And I cant see Brian allowing it under his watch with his boys.

All my opinion and if im wrong fine, always happy to learn. What's the source?

I admit my error above...it was the fans that had been referring to them as such and they were never billed that way. They did however, feature Best in front of the other band members on stage on a few occasions, plus have them sit down in front when he sang his songs....so one can see how the other guys would get upset with that and become jealous.

 

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