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How did The Monkees outsell The Beatles in 1967?
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I think The Monkees gain a new generation of fans. The TV show has recently been released on Blu-ray and I remember being a new wave of Monkeemania in the 90's which is when I discovered them thanks to pay TV.

The Monkees actually toured Australia last year in December and they released a new album called Good Times which made it to number 20 on the Aria charts so The Monkees have a fan base in Australia.

I think people remember The Lovin' Spoonful for songs like Summer in the City, Daydream, and Do You Believe In Magic? 

I am sure they gain new fans as well but I haven't got my finger on the pulse of the Lovin' Spoonful fan base though. 

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Spoonful had a coupla dozen truly classic songs between 1965-68 - John Sebastian was quite the witty and sometimes beautiful songwriter.

There's always new generation of Monkees fans! I myself discovered them during their first revival when I was about nine, when the series hit syndication.

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I feel John Sebastian is underrated as a songwriter. 

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The Monkees DID NOT sell more than The Beatles/Stones in 1967!
This fake news had been repeated and accepted as fact.

Monkee Mike Nesmith calls the story a “complete fabrication, totally bogus, class-A mendacity lie”

"In 1967 Mike Nesmith Fooled The World: When The Monkees Sold More Records Than The Beatles and Rolling Stones Combined"

Mike Nesmith cleares it up in an audio interview below...
http://www.anorak.co.uk/444198.....wrong.html

https://flashbak.com/in-1977-m.....ed-386535/

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Hm, Beatles+Stones combined seems like a different matter. This thread is about the Monkees outselling the Beatles alone, in 1967. Which seems reasonable.

And please don't use "fake news" lightly.

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I am certain that The Monkees did in fact sell more records than The Beatles but as previously mentioned The Monkees released more music in 1967.

I am not too sure about The Beatles and The Rolling Stones combined though. 

Also I just want to mention that I will be seeing Micky and Mike in less than two weeks. I am very excited to see them. 

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Ken Dodd outsold each Beatles single in the UK in 1965 (The Beatles got the final say tho*).

 

*18 out of 60 of the top selling songs in the UK in the 606s were by The Beatles including 6 of the top 7.

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because its not true.this is a rumour started by mike nesmith in 1967,from an interview in austrailia.

and its goin round on internet...just think about it...beatles jus recorded revolver 1966,[sold almost 2 million copies by december 1966]

srgent pepper replaced headquarters by monkees which headquarters was nos one for one week, pepper was nos one for eleven weeks or longer[jus think about that alone]

the monkees released their first album, and more of the monkees, and then headquarters, by then.

the beatles had released beatlemania albums to hard days night etc to revolver,to pepper,and somehow monkees outsold beatles in 1967[so previous bealte albums still selling]???

what the fuck????

its virtually impossable. don t be guillable.

overall ,all time the monkees sold about 75 million,

the bealtes album revolver alone overall sold about 27 albums and srgnt pepper about 32 million....those two albums alone overall are close to equaling monkees overall sales of all monkees albums combined.  those were the two main albums of beatles in approx 1967.

beatles from 1964 started to break records regarding sales via I Want To Hold Your Hand , and many hit singles including Ticket To Ride .

in 1966, elenor rigby went to  nos one.  

meanwhile the monkees had a few hits, including last train to clarksville, or pleasant valley sunday.

people are sooooooooo   guillable.

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from 64 to 67...beatles broke records with singles, she loves you, i wanna hold your hand..

yesterday was a huge hit,not to mention many more singles like Ticket To Ride ,hard days night etc..

 

the monkees had their first album to headquarters. and one is expected to believe that outsold not only the beatles...

please  don t be gullible and simply do the math.

hits like last train to clarksville ,and i m a believer...is suppose to sell more that i wanna hold your hand, to yesterday,..and all the other beatle singles,

 or if albums the first three monkees albums is somehow to outsell bealtes sales in 1967, when beatles jus release revolver, and pepper??

are u guys nuts?

and as i said,this fact alone:the album headquarters was nos one for only one week[ which pepper replaced as nos one for 11 weeks or longer] and somehow the monkees outsold the beatles in 1967?????

sure....google mike nesmith fooled the world, monkees outsold beatles in 1967.

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In 1967 the Monkees sold more records than the Beatles and Rolling Stones combined.

Michael Nesmith, 1968

The problem is, @jamesy67 (welcome, by the way), he actually said they outsold the Beatles and Stones combined. That that's untrue doesn't mean they didn't outsell both groups individually.

Nesmith was referring to US album sales in 1967.

You say look at the stats, and that that proves it can't be true. So, let's look at the Monkees and the Beatles success on the Billboard album charts for 1967.

By only really referring to Headquarters being knocked off #1 by Sgt Pepper  after just one week at the top you're rather downplaying the Monkees domination of the #1 spot in 1967.

The year opened with their October 1966 released debut, The Monkees, at #1 for the first 5 weeks; it was replaced at #1 by More of the Monkees on 11 February, which held the top spot until 10 June, a total of 18 weeks; the Monkees returned to #1 for a single week with Headquarters on 24 June, before Pepper replaced it at #1 on 1 July, their only #1 album of the year, holding the top spot for 15 weeks; the Monkees then returned to #1 on 2 December with Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd. for 5 weeks, keeping Magical Mystery Tour off the top spot until 6 January 1968.

So, according to Billboard, the Beatles had the #1 album in the US for 15 weeks in 1967, while - with four different albums - the Monkees were at #1 for 29 weeks (with five of those weeks preventing MMT topping the chart, meaning we know Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd. outsold MMT during those weeks).

Given that the Beatles had 15 weeks at the top of the chart compared to the Monkees 29 weeks, it does seem highly likely that the Monkees sold more albums in the US than the Beatles in 1967.

Nesmith's lie was not that they outsold the Beatles, but that they outsold the Beatles and Stones combined.

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[thanks]revolver sold almost 2 million albums by december 1966.

elenor rigby just went to nos one.

pepper was nos one..for about 11 months or more.

strawberry fields went to nos one.

Hello Goodbye went to nos one also...

Magical Mystery Tour was released toward the end  of the year.

and what about all the other beatles albums previous? no one was buy previous beatle albums?

yesterday stopped being sold in 1967? Michelle too? Ticket To Ride ?Rubber Soul ? revolver?

all stopped selling in 1967? people were only buying monkee albums? more of the monkees,headquarters,

thats all people were buying? sure.

the monkee hits were like stepping stone, words,daydream believer...they had three albums out as far as i know...

then maybe a fourth...the pieces one?

and the beatles? meet the bealtes, bealtes for sale,hard days night, help,Rubber Soul , revolver,and of course pepper..

but no one was buying these in 1967?  along with singles yesterday,elenor rigby, she loves you, i wanna hold your hand, Drive My Car , Michelle ,

Please Please Me ..no one by fluke happened to buy all these in 1967? yet all these beatles songs and albums are selling today?

it was a monkees year.

yes,the monkees did quite well that year.i hate to break it to you so did the bealtes...

when you include the mike nesmith lie,it sounds like an interesting ' fact' , that is hype...

so we can see that the monkees actually didn t outsell  the beatles and stones combined in 1967, cause nesmith said he lied.

but we can slip in that they did in fact outsell the beatles,when meet the beatles,hard days night, Beatles For Sale , help, Rubber Soul ,revolver were out a year or two or three previous. i wanna hold your hand broke records,many other singles previous including yesterday and Michelle , and just previous huge sales with revolver,a hit song with elenor rigby, also,in that same year strawberry fields,and also Hello Goodbye went to nos one,and pepper was nos one for 11 weeks,replacing headquarters,

but since the monkees had a nos one hit with i m a believer , and headquarters waa nos two, and the pieces,aquari-s -tc] album came out, and mike nesmith had a half truth.

sure!  come on their the monkees!!!

 

numbers: revolver by the beatles,sold almost 2 million by december 1966,  also, srgnt pepper sold 3 million within 1967, possably more,as it was nos one for about 15 weeks in usa, and nos one , for about 27 weeks or so in britain. combined sales of revolver and pepper, would of been atleast 5 million combined in 1967 up to that time,or probably more]ie some of the sales of revolver would of also had to be in 1967, as it was released late in 1966. Magical Mystery Tour was released in december 1967,and was also nos one on the charts....i would estimate these albums alone may have been around six million copies combined.

not to mention , all other beatle albums and singles sold that year from past beatle albums.

 

headquarters,[monkees album]they say sold about two million copies in 1967, maybe a bit more.

the other album released by monkees that year was, picses,aquariues...jones etc] and of course that album did well.

the other albums released by monkees, were meet the monkees, more of the monkees,then headquarters,then pisces,acquarious,capricorn and jones.

in the previous few years as to their first two albums. about  six, seven hits up to 1967, including, stepping stone,words, i m a believer, and pleasant valley sunday.

the monkees albums did quite well,and the beatles albums?

as i said, according to sales of pepper[three million about that year], plus revolver[released in nov 66, yet sold about 2 million copies] then already two beatle albums combined sold more albums then headquarters and pisces,acquarius...jones etc..together.

as that album was also released in november 1967.  yet beatles Magical Mystery Tour was released in dec 67.

if you include all the other beatle albums previous, and numerous singles that had in some nos, to be sold in 67, it would be virtually impossable

for the monkees to sell more albums then the beatles in 67.   take into account then...these : meet the beatles,hard days night, help, Beatles For Sale , Rubber Soul , plus singles ranging from i wanna hold your hand, to Ticket To Ride , to elenor rigby,to strawberry fields,and previous, All My Loving , Please Please Me , she loves you, i wanna hold your hand, yesterday, Michelle ..in which had certain nos of sales,it would be impossable for monkees to have sold more than the beatles in 67.

the monkees,had the first two albums, overall the bealtes sold much more. it can be presummed then other beatles were bought in 67, and are still selling well today.

its just not logical to think the monkees outsold beatles in 67, as much fun as people like to think it, and it seems that some even think that they outsold beatles and stones together, to this very day, in which mike nesmith admitted is preposterous.

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If it is true, then it's because of marketing and the fact that The Monkees were simply making far more commercial music at this point. 

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Sure, and also releasing far more product faster over the same time frame - their first three albums all dropped in between Revolver and SPLHCB . It's also worth remembering that the Beatles slipped a bit in '66, with the controversies, the unfilled arenas in the USA tour, "Paperback Writer " only topping the charts for a single week. And meanwhile, their music is getting too weird for some of their original fans (not to mention these fans' younger siblings), who gravitate to the Monkees' more accessible, bubblegummy approach.

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(...all of which observations Ron Nasty has already exhaustively made)

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It's often reported that Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac in either 68' or 69' outsold the Beatles and Stones combined. That's based on a Melody Maker claim. Only true based on the system they used of awarding points for weeks spent in the charts......It wasn't based on sales......Though they certainly sold well.

Albatross, Man of the World, Oh Well.....Quite a list.......Not sure if Green Manalishi slips in too?   

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Von Bontee said
Sure, and also releasing far more product faster over the same time frame - their first three albums all dropped in between Revolver and SPLHCB . It's also worth remembering that the Beatles slipped a bit in '66, with the controversies, the unfilled arenas in the USA tour, "Paperback Writer " only topping the charts for a single week. And meanwhile, their music is getting too weird for some of their original fans (not to mention these fans' younger siblings), who gravitate to the Monkees' more accessible, bubblegummy approach.

  

Fair points. The band did change their style a lot considering how they started out. These days we know Revolver as classic Beatles, but then it would’ve been a shock. Like something from outer space in terms of audio Revolution . It’s like John once said, what is the Beatles sound? It can be many things, but the personality is always there. 

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The guy (in the U.S.) that was bigger than both in the mid-'60s was trumpet instrumentalist Herb Alpert.  Alpert (the ex co-founder of A&M Records...the most successful independent record label which ever was; from 1962-1990), for example, sold 30 million albums in 1966 alone and: had five albums in the Top 20 the entire year.

John and George would later cross-paths with A&M themselves: the "lost weekend" Phil Spector gun incident took place there and, A&M distributed George's Dark Horse label until 1978 (culminating in a landmark lawsuit they'd file against George -and win- for not delivering enough new material in good faith; where, George had to pay them back money).

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