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Early Autographs
14 March 2022
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Good evening folks,

 I’ve been searching this past year for examples of very early Beatles autographs. I have this February ’62 Birkenhead Youth Club ticket. The only other earlier item I’ve found is this multi-signed Cavern membership card from ’61. Does anyone have any information about the existence of any others? Any help would be appreciated.

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Hi,
From ‘The Scotsman’ 24 March 2004:

From Banff – earliest known set of Beatles autographs

THE year is 1960 and a group of young musicians touring the north of Scotland are involved in a minor car crash near Banff. The first person on the scene runs not to the nearest phone box to call an ambulance but home to get her autograph book, presumably recognising the most famous face, that of Johnny Gentle.

Ten minutes after the accident, the girl had secured the signature of Gentle and his lesser known young companions, John Lennon , Paul McCartney , George Harrison and Stuart Suttcliffe. Now the signatures, the earliest known set of the band who became known as the Beatles, have been sold for 2,500 to a collector by the girl who secured them. 
At the time, the band which was to become the most famous pop group of all time were barely known in the UK and had not settled on their band’s name, having previously been called the Silver Beetles and the Beatals.
The members of the band had not even settled on their own names. Paul was calling himself Paul Ramone at the time, and George signed under the name Carl Harrison. In those pre-Ringo days, the band’s drummer was Tommy Moore, who was taken to hospital after the crash, while Sutcliffe later left the band and died of a brain haemorrhage. 
 
 
 
The signatures were bought in Inverness at the weekend by a pop memorabilia dealer, Jason Cornthwaite, who said he was stunned when the woman presented the piece of history. “It dates from 23 May, 1960, and is the first known set of Beatles autographs. I never expected to see anything from that time.
The woman was the first on the scene after the accident, and instead of phoning for a doctor she went off to get her autograph book. 
The drummer, Tommy Moore, had concussion and had all his teeth knocked out, and while they were waiting for him to go to hospital the band sent for chips.
“I don’t know how she knew to get their autographs as they were not famous at the time. But Johnny Gentle was quite well known then.” 
He added: “It took me a few minutes to realise how important it was. I recognised Paul’s handwriting right away but I’ve never seen him sign with that stage name – Paul Ramone – before. George used Carl instead of George at that time for some reason.”
Mr Cornthwaite said the autographs will go into a collection run by his Chorley-based company, Tracks, and will not be re-sold: “We tend to keep certain historical pieces. Some people like to keep things and others want to sell them on and would sooner have the money. The woman did not want her name made public and I didn’t ask why she was selling after all this time.” 
“About eight to ten years ago stuff used to turn up more frequently. Once we were given Paul McCartney ’s school exercise book, when he was practising writing his name on the back, and someone once brought in one of John Lennon ’s baby teeth.”

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SI3. The Beatles 1961 Hambleton Hall Pay Receipt Books

There was a time when The Beatles earned just a few pounds a night and the venues were so rough, survival skills were as important as playing ability. In 1961, few places were as violent as Hambleton Hall in suburban Liverpool. Fights would routinely break out as groups of ‘teddy boys’ (roughnecks) settled their differences with chains, chairs, broken bottles, fists and fire extinguishers — all while the band played on stage just a few feet away. But, for all its violence, this dingy dive was also an essential proving ground for every emerging Mersey band.

Beginning on January 25, 1961, The Beatles played a total of sixteen times at Hambleton Hall. By the time they played there for the last time – on January 13, 1962 – they had been discovered by Brian Epstein. Their new manager made it clear to them that this was not the type of place he wanted them to play.

Here are three of the earliest Beatles signed documents in existence: original 1961 pay receipt books used for three The Beatles gigs at Hambleton Hall in Fincham, Huyton on the outskirts of Liverpool !

After a wild, raucous evening of playing, it was customary for one designated member of the band to go into Hambleton Hall’s makeshift business office to collect the band’s pay for the night. The others would spend that time loading out their equipment. Vic Anton filled out each receipt page and, once it was signed by the band member, he would then pay the group’s fee in cash.

Three of the pages in these books have been signed by members of The Beatles; John Lennon (as “J.W. Lennon”) and Paul McCartney (as “J.P. McCartney”) signed receipts for pay inside the larger of the books and George Harrison signed for their money in the smaller book.

The first appearance of a Beatles signature is on the receipt for Wednesday night, February 22, 1961, the band’s fifth appearance there. John Lennon signed for their pay of 10 pounds. Earlier that day, the group had played the Aintree Institute where they had received 7 pounds, two shillings. On the bill with The Beatles that night were Faron and The Tempest Tornadoes and Rory Storm and The Hurricanes (with Ringo on drums). The hall’s penchant for violence is evident in the fact that more than half of the receipts in each book were made out to bouncers and doormen. In some cases, several bouncers were required in one night. Eight bouncers were paid that evening, indicating a particularly rough night at the hall. As paltry as it may seem, a night’s pay of eight pounds or more for the band was actually quite good in 1961. This amount was split among all members, with Neil Aspinall usually receiving one pound for transporting their equipment to and from the gig having just been hired as their roadie.

On Monday evening, March 20, 1961, Paul McCartney (age 18) signed for their night’s pay of seven-pound-ten. The Beatles shared the stage that night with The Ravens (who received a mere four pounds).

The next appearance of The Beatles in these two books is Sunday, November 26, 1961. George Harrison (age 18) signed for their pay that evening. With their local popularity on the rise, the group received a whopping 15 pounds (which was more than the combined earnings of all the other acts that night: The Cyclones, The Strangers and The Jeanaros). This billing is a complete contradiction of the original advertised line-up, proving that bands often changed at the last minute.

The real beauty of these extraordinary documents is that they perfectly encapsulate the entire Liverpool beat scene of the early 1960s. In addition to The Beatles, they are signed by members of virtually all the major Liverpool bands from that remarkable era. Within these books, you’ll find receipts signed by members of Gerry and The Pacemakers, Rory Storm and The Hurricanes, The Big Three, Derry and The Seniors, Kingsize Taylor and The Dominoes, Johnny Sandon and The Searchers, Ricky and The Red Streaks, Faron and The Tempest Tornadoes and Earl Preston and The T.T.s. They also feature several long-forgotten bands like Oggi and The Flintstones, The Galvanizers, Johnny Rocco and The Jets, Ray and The Del Renas and Dixie and The Daredevils.

According to reports, these receipt books were originally the property of the late Bob Wooler, legendary compere of the Cavern Club. Wooler, along with his business partner Vic Anton (a used car salesman by day) promoted shows at Hambleton Hall throughout 1961 and Wooler, in fact, also served as emcee at these shows.

More than likely, there were one or two other Hambleton Hall receipt books from that year as these two only cover six months (February-April and October until early December). While it was not the safest or most desirable setting, it is clear from the books that Hambleton Hall was still one of the more popular venues for beat shows in 1961.

This is a rare opportunity to own a pair of historically significant pre-fame artifacts – so ‘pre-fame’ in fact that they didn’t make the first U.S. trip until more than three years following the first Hambleton Hall gig – and three years is an eternity when it comes to early Beatles history. The books measure 6 ¾” x 3” (John and Paul) and 4 ½” x 1 ¾” (George), and are in very good overall condition considering the extensive use they had throughout 1961 and the fact that nearly 50 years that have passed since. These are the only known Beatles Liverpool pay receipt books that have ever been made available for sale. The Beatles’ signatures contained within them are among the earliest known examples, as very few pre-1962 signatures have ever been documented.

These pay receipt books are steeped in early Beatles history, and they are among very few similar items in existence that could have easily have been lost forever or destroyed. Instead, they survived and are ready to be at home within any significant collection of elite Beatles memorabilia…..$35,000


 

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Not autographed, but dynamically early!

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How much!?

More sensationally early…….

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An envelope that has been autographed by The Beatles in blue ballpoint pen. The autographs were obtained at the Floral Hall, Morecambe, Lancashire on the 29th August 1962. This was Ringo’s 12th appearance with The Beatles since joining the group. The envelope measures 14cm x 9.5cm (5.5 inches x 3.75 inches).
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Good evening folks,

Firstly my apologies if this subject has been covered here before. I can’t find it at the moment so…….….…..

Recently I was puzzled to find my authentic Ringo Starr autographed (on the reverse) 1965 promotional photo card seemed to bear authentic first name signatures of all four Beatles on the front. Well, it was Christmas and I thought that I was somewhat blessed, the signatures are real, in depth and nuanced, but sadly, not authentic.

   It seems the Autopen machine is something of a gem, developed in the 1930’s, it gained recognition during the period of American presidents from JFK to Obama, for signing official papers. Even leading to a constitutional legal debate regarding Obama’s use for using the Autopen to sign a piece of legislation. It was ruled lawful as the President has sanctioned its use.

  The Beatles apparently made extensive use of this machine once fan mail became overwhelming, and was used extensively between 1963-68. They have a value in that they had to be printed individually, usually changing the pen to alternate autographed colours. Here’s my photo and the rather clever machine:

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An original flyer from The Cavern 1961:

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