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Did the 'More popular than Jesus' ruin a lot of their popularity?
27 January 2014
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Is the controversy why there were only 2500 people at Candlestick? Doesn't seem like people in San Fran would get as worked up about it as the south.

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Sour Milk Sea said
Is the controversy why there were only 2500 people at Candlestick? Doesn't seem like people in San Fran would get as worked up about it as the south.

Crowd numbers were falling in the US generally in August 1966 (not down solely to the Jesus controversy); Shea and a number of other venues failed to sell out which results in reports in the media saying the Beatles popularity was fading with the younger fans moving on to other bands. There is that clip in the Anthology with the reporter at Shea in '66 trying to find fans who had other bands as their favourites; i think one young boy said Herman and the Hermits (cant find the clip).

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27 January 2014
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One of the more interesting things in the "conspiracy theory" is that the killer had told his wife that he had the crazy idea to kill John Lennon and had decided not to do it.  He then booked a flight to visit his grandmother in another state.  It was a round trip ticket back to Hawaii.  Something must have happened when he got to his destination that made him change his mind, and the plane ticket stubs found in his hotel room had been altered to make them look like they were tickets directly to New York.  I saw photographs of the tickets, and the guy researching it had actually spoken with the airline about the original purchase.

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27 January 2014
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Sour Milk Sea said
Is the controversy why there were only 2500 people at Candlestick? Doesn't seem like people in San Fran would get as worked up about it as the south.

Welcome to the forum, Sour Milk Sea. Should you want to, we have an "Introduce yourself..." thread over in "All Together Now ".

You missed a nought off, it wasn't 2500, it was 25,000 (out of 48,000 seats), and perhaps the audiences were lower in '66 because they could hardly hear them in '65 and were growing tired of the screaming. There was a drop in audience numbers at all their US appearances that year, and I do wonder whether that wasn't because those that had gone to hear them the year before rather than scream couldn't hear them, and told their friends they couldn't hear them.

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28 January 2014
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This is one of my favorite pieces of memorabilia.

On the very article in question, Lennon has signed it "To Art [the publisher], John C Lennon"

His middle initial is not 'C'

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28 January 2014
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Sour Milk Sea said
Is the controversy why there were only 2500 people at Candlestick? Doesn't seem like people in San Fran would get as worked up about it as the south.

Welcome to the forum, Sour Milk Sea. Should you want to, we have an "Introduce yourself..." thread over in "All Together Now ".

You missed a nought off, it wasn't 2500, it was 25,000 (out of 48,000 seats), and perhaps the audiences were lower in '66 because they could hardly hear them in '65 and were growing tired of the screaming. There was a drop in audience numbers at all their US appearances that year, and I do wonder whether that wasn't because those that had gone to hear them the year before rather than scream couldn't hear them, and told their friends they couldn't hear them.

Thanks, longtime viewer, firstime poster, you know the shtick.

 

And 25000 makes a ton of a lot more sense.

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28 January 2014
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I can't look it up at the moment, but I've read that the unsold seats was a mere matter of someone misplacing tickets. Like, whomever was responsible later found a ton of unsold tickets in a box underneath his bed.

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Billy Rhythm said

It's not about me feeling "less squeamish", but as long as you and others continue to mention his name, or his initials, he'll continue to be entrenched ever so deeply in Beatles' lore.  If everyone started to refer to him as only "some weirdo", or as Paul puts it, "The JERK of ALL Jerks" then long after we're gone that's how he'll be referenced.  I feel the same way about that Madman who was responsible for so many deaths of the Jewish population during WWII, yet people continue to glorify his name in schools and TV Shows, I'm not suggesting that we should pretend that these things didn't happen, but the names of those who are responsible should be stricken from the record, forever...:-)

Uh...sorry but I don't follow this line of thinking. Using people's names is not "glorifying" them. People's names are neutral facts, even those who commit horrible acts; and their horrible deeds are a matter of historic record, and needless obfuscation doesn't make them any less historic - or horrible.

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28 January 2014
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Yeah, that's what these losers crave, their very own permanent place in the "historic record", go ahead and give 'em what they've always wanted, maybe include a picture of his face above the full name next time, we wouldn't want any more "needless obfuscation" of such an important person to carry on now would we...:-)

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vonbontee said

Billy Rhythm said

It's not about me feeling "less squeamish", but as long as you and others continue to mention his name, or his initials, he'll continue to be entrenched ever so deeply in Beatles' lore.  If everyone started to refer to him as only "some weirdo", or as Paul puts it, "The JERK of ALL Jerks" then long after we're gone that's how he'll be referenced.  I feel the same way about that Madman who was responsible for so many deaths of the Jewish population during WWII, yet people continue to glorify his name in schools and TV Shows, I'm not suggesting that we should pretend that these things didn't happen, but the names of those who are responsible should be stricken from the record, forever...:-)

Uh...sorry but I don't follow this line of thinking. Using people's names is not "glorifying" them. People's names are neutral facts, even those who commit horrible acts; and their horrible deeds are a matter of historic record, and needless obfuscation doesn't make them any less historic - or horrible.

Maybe "glorify" was the wrong word, but I get what Billy Rhythm is trying to get across. When I refer to the loss of John's life, I say it was at the hands of "The Asshole in the Orange Jump Suit".

As vonbontee wrote, it does not make the deed any less historic/horrible, but it takes away the prize that The Asshole in the Orange Jump Suit covets - his name going down in history. I say let it go down in flames. Wouldn't it be lovely if we could have an encyclopedia printed stating that John Lennon was killed by The Asshole in the Orange Jump Suit? I'd send The Asshole in the Orange Jump Suit a copy of it every day.

The Jesus quote may have put a small dent in their popularity in a small portion of their fan base. But I would not say a lot.

One of my favorite lines from Ringo in Anthology was something along the lines of, "oh yeah, we were really dying on the vine...only 40,000 showed up instead of 50,000." (paraphrasing his quote about the second Shea Stadium show).

I remember the clip mmm mentioned of the CBS reporter almost desperately trying to find someone at that second Shea show who thought the Fabs were on their way out. He kept asking the question and the kids were saying there was no way they liked any band better. Then, the reporter finally stumbled across a girl who appeared to be about 9 years old who said she liked Herman's Hermits [sic] better. If the guy had any smarts, he would have been on the streets of NY looking for people who were NOT attending the show that could have answered his question the way he seemed to want it answered to give his story some type of credibility.

Friggin' genius... ahdn_paul_01

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Surely by just talking about the "asshole in the orange jump suit" we are giving him the airtime he so desperately wanted, everyone hear knows who we are talking about and those who don't will just google it to find out. So isn't the best thing to do is to just stop talking about him and move on with the topic in hand?

 

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29 January 2014
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  1. Surely by just talking about the "asshole in the orange jump suit" we are giving him the airtime he so desperately wanted, everyone hear knows who we are talking about and those who don't will just google it to find out.

  2. So isn't the best thing to do is to just stop talking about him and move on with the topic in hand?

 

 

1. Maybe - I guess that is one way of looking at it.

2. Yep - see the latter half of my post - could not agree more.
 
  

 

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I found this article on a google search, it makes for entertaining (but aggravating) reading.

http://www.jesusisprecious.org.....eatles.htm

Oh, by the way, this post was made by The Hole Got Fixed!

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