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Bob Dylan and The Beatles
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Ultimate Classic Rock article on Bob Dylan wanting to collaborate with The Beatles and The Rolling Stones on an album, according to Glyn Johns' new book, Sound Man.

[x-posted to the news and new Beatles books thread]

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I would suggest, if this idea was ever really talked about, it would have been the weekend of the 1969 Isle of Wight Festival (29-31 August), Bob's first major live appearance since 1966 (his only other live appearance being at a multi-artist tribute at Carnegie Hall to Woody Guthrie in January 1968, where he and The Band did three songs).

The Isle of Wight Festival seems to have had most of those mentioned in attendance.

George and Patti (with Mal) met up with Bob and his family in Portsmouth to travel across to the Isle of Wight on the 26th, and stayed with them at their rented farmhouse.

John and Ringo, along with Yoko and Maureen, flew into the island on the 30th, as did many others of the British rock "aristocracy" - among them Keith Richards, Bill Wyman, Eric Clapton, and Syd Barrett. No reason to think Charlie Watts wasn't there as well, nor Glyn Johns.

Paul definitely wasn't, as Mary was born on the 28th.

In among Bob circles there are rumours of a jam out at the farmhouse on the 30th featuring Bob, various Beatles, various Stones, and The Band. (Now, if that really did happen!!! - Oh, if only there was there was a tape!!!)

Bob closed the festival (late) on the 31st.

Here we can see George and Patti in the audience:
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Here's all three Beatles in shot (interesting that they're all sat in different rows):
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The night ended up with everybody back at Bob's listening to a test pressing of Abbey Road .

The next day Bob and George flew to Tittenhurst with John and Yoko in an Apple-rented helicopter. The day is not meant to have gone well according to the rumours, with Bob leaving early. It is the last known time Bob and John spent together.

I'd suggest, that possibly over this weekend, there was a "What if we all recorded an album together?" type conversation, much as people can have - after a drink or something else - "What if we opened a pub?", "We could open a hairdressers!", etc. that's forgotten the moment you've sobered up.

Not for one minute do I think it sounds like something Bob would casually come up with during an accidental meeting at at airport. Just seems like more Glyn Johns' remembering things the way he'd like to, not necessarily as they were.

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Not to make fun of you @Mr. Kite but I think that Ron's post above me might be useful for you

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Haha. Haha. Haha. I had the same thought, @Hey Jude !! @Mr. Kite can put that picture on his clipboard.

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And there was me thinking I was responding to the article @parlance had linked to, not hunting out pictures for @Mr. Kite!!! paul-mccartney

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@Ahhh Girl said

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Haha. Haha. Haha. I had the same thought, @Hey Jude !! @Mr. Kite can put that picture on his clipboard.

What clipboard? My eyes only AG!!

Back on topic! I don't believe Bob hated the Beatles, although there was definitely competition between them. (Someone must've said this up thread, but I haven't read through it yet.)

Would he have shared his pot with them in '64 if he hated them?

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I came across this interview with Bob from 1992. He was being interviewed by Elliot Mintz (close friend of John) on the 22 November about his then new album Good as I Been to You, and Elliot decided to use the opportunity to talk about John with Bob. This section of the interview was later aired on the Westwood One radio series The Beatles Years.

I don't believe this transcription is 100% accurate, but it's an interesting read.

EM: Twelve years now after John's passing... A long time to examine the body of work and what he left behind musically. What do you think his most significant contribution was to rock n' roll... as an artist?

BD: He was talented as a musician which you don't see... It's just like another one of those things... People don't give him credit for saying something that takes over... It's like personality takes over at a certain point. To me, he could play and he sang great. And he had the attitude of course. You know, it's hard to separate what he did as a Beatle, because the attitude was there that he had. To me, he was always a musician first. Like, to me, his version of Stand By Me is the version regardless of the song's been done so many times, but his was better than the original.

All his stuff was like that. It had an attack to it, you know, that is very rare. Of course, when he put his own thing behind it, it was quite overwhelming. With his Working Class Hero -type thing and Instant Karma kind of thing... To me, it was all just a... you know, you could hear it all there with I Wanna Hold Your Hand but then of course, the harmonies and that stuff had kind of deluded a lot of it. But if you're asking me how he is perceived, to me he is perceived first and foremost as a musician. And he had an amazing sense of melody, and lyrically he was no slouch, either.

EM: He used to say, in the public statements or recorded statements, he used to say that every time the two of you bumped into each other, from his point of view, he was always kind of paranoid and nervous.

BD: [yawns]

EM: Did you get that sensation from him?

BD: No. He never gave me that impression. No kind of way.

EM: He felt that there was always kind of like a healthy rivalry between the two of you.

BD: Yeah, [cut in the recording] it was never like one of those kind of things where we got Brian Wilson we gotta beat that record, we gotta beat this record, and then they're coming back and they're making another one only to make it a Sgt. Pepper , you know, whatever. To me, that kind of thing never really existed. Maybe for those other guys it did, because they were all fighting for chart positions and things. Coming from my world of the folk music world that never really entered into any element of trying to better somebody else. Trying to make this recording better than that recording, this was all records. Those guys went to the recording element of everything and it wasn't my scene, so it never was really a competitive thing.

———[commercial break]———

What lasts for me in that is the songs he left.

EM: Do you have a favorite?

BD: Not really a favorite. There are some that jump out at me more than others; Nowhere Man . One of my favorites, really, don't ask me why, is Mother , but I can't kind of figure out why. He was doing it all the way, you know.

EM: He had some moments where he took some good-natured kidding with you and your approach. Did it bother you?

BD: No, one of my old drummers, he used to play me a tape where he was like spoofing Serve Somebody or something like that. No, it didn't bother me, it intrigued me. Why would it effect him in such a way? Like who cares? It was just a song.

EM: I wondered about that, too, if that really did impact him. I also think he personally loved and tried to imitate your voice. You know, it was just something that he would fall into frequently. He just enjoyed the experience. And over the years, people have sometimes asked me whether or not that ever bothered you or if you took offence at that?

BD: No, not really.

EM: When you think back about him now, beside the music, was there anything particularly endearing or special that he left you with? Some people say it was the humor, some people say it was the cynicism, some people say it was that edge that he...

BD: He was very quick witted, wasn't he?

EM: Yeah.

BD: Like a lot of those English guys were just so sharp for sure.

EM: You never recorded with him, did you?

BD: Ah, yeah, once, but no one ever came up with the tape.

EM: I guess there was a great rock n' roll rumor that the two of you actually made a tape together.

BD: No, ah... Those were... That is all pretty shaky in my mind. What happened and what didn't happen, but it seems to me there was a tape running at his house. Where was it again?

EM: Kenwood or Tittenhurst Park?

BD: Yeah, that one. Seems to me he had a tape recorder.

EM: Did you record when you were singing?

BD: Probably. Some kind of things. It might've been Gene Vincent songs or something.

EM: Oh, if anybody knows where the tape is we'd love to hear from them. It'd be a nice thing to have, wouldn't it?

BD: [pause] Yeah.

EM: Anything else come to you about John?

BD: Ah, he was just a wonderful guy, really. Well, you know — cool. Anything from me that I could say is that he was kind of a wonderful guy, but he was, speaking as a musician, he was someone to look up to. 

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Aw, this thread revival depresses me now, since I really liked @S. B. Fields, his posts and his avatar, and I fear that he quit posting because of something I said. :(  It wasn't meant to be offensive and I apologized, but haven't seen him (her?) since. (I feel pretty bad about it)

That interview was a good read, though, anyways.

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Yes, it was an interesting interview. Although I can't agree that Lennon's Stand By Me is the definitive version. That's crazy talk.

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The definitive version of 'Stand By Me '? I listen to John's and go "wow" and think thats it until i hear Ben E. King's and its "wow, no that's it" and the loop never finishes.

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I remember Ben E. King joking in interviews, after it was a #1 in the UK in the '80s, that he kept being asked what it was like to have a hit with a John Lennon song.

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This may interest some people, Bob Dylan's letter to the court hearing John Lennon 's US immigration case:

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Very interesting, Ron Nasty.  I'm sure the court was impressed by Dylan's presentable penmanship...a-hard-days-night-john-6

All seriousness aside (as Steve Allen used to say), the sentiments therein seem to me to be rather surprisingly trite and high school.

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I suppose it's the bit that such letters were written as much to appear in Village Voice as they were in the FBI Copy of the Court Record.

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Article - Did Dylan really get The Beatles high?

 

The Beatles would probably be considered by most people as a serious contender for the greatest band of all time. With a long list of songs that became instant hits the moment they were released, the group rose to be the most famous and successful popular music band in the world, a status which has endured the test of time and casts the surviving members in the strong yet flattering light of ‘living legends.’

Exploring this vein of brilliance, it's only natural that Bob Dylan comes to mind. The American singer/song writer had, and still has, huge success of his own and had a strong musical/lyrical influence on the Beatles. Paul McCartney once said that Dylan’s second record ‘The Freewheelin’ was ‘all they played’ on the Beatles tour bus.

Paul also said that Dylan was the one who introduced the group to smoking weed. While the Fab Four debuted in 1960 with a squeaky clean image, over time they evolved into more a psychedelic and over all much more interesting outfit.  But were the Beatles as ‘clean’ as their image suggested? Did Dylan really get The Beatles high?

It was on August 28, 1964 that Dylan and the Beatles were introduced by a mutual friend, Al Aronowitz, at New York's Delmonico Hotel. After arriving at The Beatles' suite Dylan allegedly asked for some cheap red wine. Road manager Mal Evans was sent to get the product of the grape and while Evans was away Dylan allegedly suggested they have a smoke. Although the band had actually tried the drug a few years ago it apparently ‘hadn’t made much of an impression’ on them. When manager Brian Epstein informed Dylan of this, Dylan supposedly stared in disbelief at everyone present. Apparently he had misheard the line “I can’t hide” in “I Want To Hold Your Hand ” as “I get high.”

Before the deed was done, they secured the hotel room; blinds were drawn and bathroom towels were placed carefully along the floor by the locked doors. The first joint was rolled by Dylan and then passed to John Lennon . Lennon passed it to Ringo, who finished the joint without knowing that the etiquette was to pass it on. The next few hours were party time for the Beatles as they smoked dope, drank the ‘cheap’ wine (surely millionaire Dylan could afford at least mid-range wine?) and became generally intoxicated. Finally, all smoked out and fatigued from laughing, the Beatles aired out the room and room service was called to clean up the mess.

Although The Fab Four didn't fall under the spell of marijuana immediately, after a few months the act of meeting in their hotel rooms and lining towels by the door became a ritual; very much part of their life on the road. And who can say they didn’t deserve to unwind and find inspiration from a plant after long high pressure shows and legions of stalkers tracking their every move.

The Beatles were unarguably great songwriters and musicians, with or without the use of marijuana, but one thing is obvious - the content and style of their music was greatly influenced by the drugs they took. This is evident in subtle references (‘We all live in a yellow submarine’) and some not so subtle references (‘I found my way upstairs and had a smoke, and somebody spoke and I went into a dream’). These indications have certainly not gone by unnoticed – the great late Bill Hicks noted that “The Beatles were so high they let Ringo sing a few.”

The music also clearly shows the influence of different levels of consciousness on the part of the players, such as the transcendent colourful sounds of ‘Octopus’ garden’ and the truly unique brilliance of ‘Come together.’ Not to mention ‘I Am The Walrus ’, ‘Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds ’ and ‘The Magical Mystery Tour .’

It was again Paul who remarked, many years later, that “we were kind of proud to have been introduced to pot by Dylan. That was rather a coup.” I have no way of knowing if this is an accurately reported statement, or simply the invention of a bored journalist in some obscure office, but it’s intriguing nonetheless. 

So, did Dylan really get the The Beatles high? Well, as Dylan’s organist Al Kooper puts it, ‘I stopped believing the stories of musical history once I was in them.’ There has no doubt been fabrication, mythology and out right lying surrounding both Dylan and The Beatles, but I guess if Paul McCartney said it, and he, Ringo and Dylan are indeed the closest we’ll get to factual sources on this matter, then we can perhaps assume the answer is yes. ‘Yes’ is certainly the most fun answer. Let’s stick with Yes.

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 DOES ANYONE HAVE THE UNCUT VERSION OF "WHAT'S HAPPENING! THE BEATLES IN THE U.S.A. ?

Regarding the "AUDIO " availability of The Beatles talking about Bob Dylan & requesting radio airplay of Bob Dylan's Corrina, Corrina
with Murray The K radio show phone call (possibly Ringo on the phone with Murray). Also Paul McCartney mentioning The Beatles music interest of "Robert Dylan".
This was the week of Feb. 7 -9 1964.
Don't know where I can find this, it was mention & edited a few sentences on the Sirius XM Radio Beatles Channel Forum in early Feb. 2019.

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I’ve been growing my Dylan collection.

I saw the Netflix movie about the Rolling Thunder Revue. Then I bought the box set. Also recently got the More Blood, More Tracks set. 

The movie was great. It was nice to see Allen Ginsberg (elementary penguin) in the movie so much. I recently got a book and poster that were signed by Ginsberg. The autograph line was too long when I saw him read in 1996.

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Expert Textpert said
I’ve been growing my Dylan collection.

I saw the Netflix movie about the Rolling Thunder Revue. Then I bought the box set. Also recently got the More Blood, More Tracks set. 

The movie was great. It was nice to see Allen Ginsberg (elementary penguin) in the movie so much. I recently got a book and poster that were signed by Ginsberg. The autograph line was too long when I saw him read in 1996.

  

I wonder if the Netflix documentary is available in the UK? Would be good if it is.

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