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Bob Dylan and The Beatles?
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I don't know from where but I read that Bob Dylan had some rivalry with Beatles and showed dislike for "Yesterday " & "Michelle " (I think he was jealous 'cause he couldn't such songs which would later make history) and also criticized Sgt Pepper (album). John wrote the song "Serve Yourself " as a mockery of his song "Gotta Serve Somebody" . I'm not sure if this is all true but I would really appreciate if someone will help me. And here's a Brian smiley for nothing ---->brian-epstein 

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He didn't hate them. He might not have taken them seriously at first (and I don't think he ever cared for Paul's stuff), but he saw the genius that John and (later on) George possessed. Dylan went "electric" because of the Beatles' growing influence on him. And Bob and George were bandmates later on in the '80s with the Traveling Wilburys. If he didn't care for the Beatles, I don't think he would have become bandmates and friends with one of them.

As far as "Serve Yourself ," it definitely is written about Bob's "Christian" period.

Bob wrote more than his fair share of songs that made history: "Like a Rolling Woman ," Rainy Day Woman #12 & #35," "A Hard Rain 's A-Gonna Fall," "Blowin' in the Wind," "The Times They Are A-Changin'," "Maggie's Farm," "Tangled Up in Blue"... and that's just off the top of my head.

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Bob wrote more than his fair share of songs that made history: "Like a Rolling Woman ," Rainy Day Woman #12 & #35," "A Hard Rain 's A-Gonna Fall," "Blowin' in the Wind," "The Times They Are A-Changin'," "Maggie's Farm," "Tangled Up in Blue"... and that's just off the top of my head.

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I never heard of Bob expressing any particular dislike for "Yesterday " or "Michelle ", and I would think that he could appreciate the songcraft behind them at the least, but who knows? Maybe he didn't care for Paul's softer stuff. As for Pepper, I believe his stated opinion was that the songs were good but didn't need all the "window dressing" and fancy production.

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He didn't hate them. He might not have taken them seriously at first (and I don't think he ever cared for Paul's stuff), 

 

Didn't he later call Paul the greatest songwriter?

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I'm sure i read Dylan heard Revolver and immediately walked out the room having not been impressed. Will have to check and see if that is right.

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I also heard 'Fourth Time Around' was meant to be a parody of 'Norwegian Wood '?

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Yep.

I've read that John played "Norwegian Wood " for him, and Dylan told him he didn't like it; but wasn't serious (but John thought he was, and took it personally.)

As for Revolver , apparently Paul proudly played an acetate of the newly-finished TNK for Bob, and his reaction was "Oh I get it, you don't want to be cute anymore." Take that however you wish, I guess.

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Bulldog said

WETSRoosa said
Bob wrote more than his fair share of songs that made history: "Like a Rolling Woman ," Rainy Day Woman #12 & #35," "A Hard Rain 's A-Gonna Fall," "Blowin' in the Wind," "The Times They Are A-Changin'," "Maggie's Farm," "Tangled Up in Blue"... and that's just off the top of my head.

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Could it be that you meant Like A Rolling Stone? a-hard-days-night-george-10

Wow, how did that happen? ahdn_paul_01

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I've heard a version of 'Yesterday ' sung by Dylan……. It didn't sound like a sarcastic rendition.

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You can judge here……..

 

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I sat on her rug

Took a deep hit 

of that Norwegian Wood

and washed it down

with a long swig

from her JUH-

-maican rum

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Von Bontee said
I never heard of Bob expressing any particular dislike for "Yesterday " or "Michelle ", and I would think that he could appreciate the songcraft behind them at the least, but who knows? Maybe he didn't care for Paul's softer stuff. As for Pepper, I believe his stated opinion was that the songs were good but didn't need all the "window dressing" and fancy production.

This is what the original poster is referring to.

 

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"Yesterday ", however, has also been criticized for being mundane and mawkish; Bob Dylan had a marked dislike for the song, stating that "If you go into the Library of Congress, you can find a lot better than that. There are millions of songs like 'Michelle ' and 'Yesterday ' written in Tin Pan Alley". Ironically, Dylan ultimately recorded his own version of "Yesterday " four years later, but it was never released.

It is cited, but it's a book citation, so I can't check it.

 

Personally, I think that he didn't really "hated Beatles," but rather, those songs.  I mean, given that he and George were friends for years...

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Necko said

Von Bontee said
I never heard of Bob expressing any particular dislike for "Yesterday " or "Michelle ", and I would think that he could appreciate the songcraft behind them at the least, but who knows? Maybe he didn't care for Paul's softer stuff. As for Pepper, I believe his stated opinion was that the songs were good but didn't need all the "window dressing" and fancy production.

This is what the original poster is referring to.

 

The Almighty Wikipedia

"Yesterday ", however, has also been criticized for being mundane and mawkish; Bob Dylan had a marked dislike for the song, stating that "If you go into the Library of Congress, you can find a lot better than that. There are millions of songs like 'Michelle ' and 'Yesterday ' written in Tin Pan Alley". Ironically, Dylan ultimately recorded his own version of "Yesterday " four years later, but it was never released.

It is cited, but it's a book citation, so I can't check it.

 

Personally, I think that he didn't really "hated Beatles," but rather, those songs.  I mean, given that he and George were friends for years...

The quote is correct. It's from Robert Shelton's No Direction Home. Shelton was the journalist who wrote the review that helped get Bobby signed, and ended up as part of his inner circle for many years. The quote comes from a long conversation they had during a flight from one gig to another in America in late-1965, the conversation taking up the majority of one chapter in the book.

Dylan didn't hate The Beatles. Dylan loved The Beatles. They were a big part of the reason he turned electric. There is the story of him doing a road trip across America in early 1964, with The Beatles all over the radio, and getting out the car and drumming along to I Want To Hold Your Hand  on the car bonnet. He described their chords as "outrageous", and said that they were doing things nobody else was doing.

He kept his Beatles infatuation quiet for a while, as The Beatles were a pop group and he was deeply embedded in the folk scene which dismissed pop.

He has never really been a fan of McCartney though. I believe the song he walked out on was Penny Lane . It was certainly something Pepper era. Paul loved it, whatever it was, and kept playing it again and again, and Bob got up and walked out the room after the third or fourth play without commenting.

If there was a group that Bob had a dislike of at the time, it was the Stones. There was an infamous encounter between Bob and Jagger at the Ab-Lib in 1965, where Mick was trying to convince Bob that they had much in common. Dylan responded, "The difference between us is that I could have written Satisfaction but you could never have written Desolation Row." One of the great put-downs.

Of that Dylan version of Yesterday , recorded on 1 May 1970, it should be noted that on lead guitar is George Harrison .

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These lines may be of interest. Known as Pneumonia Ceilings, they were written at the London Hilton in May 1966 (during Bob's "Judas!" tour), and are reputed to be the work of John, Paul and Bob.

Words and phrases right
Cigarette ash keeps me up all night
How come your mama types so fast?
Is daddy’s flag flyin’ at half mast?
Pneumonia ceilings, pneumonia floors
Daddy ain’t gonna take it no more
Elephant guns blazing in my ears
I’m sick & tired of your applesauce tears!
Thermometers donat tell time no more
Since aunt mimi pushed them off the 20th floor
So say goodby to skyscrapers
You’ll read about it in the evening paper
I picked my nose & I’m glad I did.

Certainly, the Aunt Mimi reference points to John's involvement.

@Ahhh Girl @meanmistermustard @Zig Could this thread be moved to Yesterday and Today as it is a Beatles-related discussion, rather than a non-Beatles discussion? Could the title also be changed to something like "Did Bob Dylan hate The Beatles?", similar to the "Did Elvis hate John Lennon ?" thread. "Bob Dylan hated Beatles" has already been disproved.

EDIT by Ahhh Girl:I moved the thread and changed the topic title.

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^^ Apparently Bob and George had quite a lengthy session - one of the future releases I'm hoping to see as part of the Dylan bootleg series.

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@trcanberra It was the first session for Bob's New Morning, but also a bit of fun.

They recorded five takes of Sign on the Window; five of If Not for You (one of which appeared on the first volume of The Bootleg Series); four takes of Time Passes Slowly; the Dylan-Harrison co-write Working on a Guru (on the latest volume of The Bootleg Series); Went to See the GypsySong to WoodyMama, You Been on My MindDon't Think Twice, It's All RightYesterday (The Beatles); Just Like Tom Thumb's BluesI Met Him on a Sunday (The Shirelles first single); two takes of One Too Many MorningsGhost Riders in the Sky (a Stan Jones song performed by many, including Johnny Cash); Cupid (Sam Cooke); All I Have to Do Is Dream (Everly Brothers); Gates of EdenI Threw It All AwayI Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)Matchbox  (Carl Perkins); Your True Love (Carl Perkins); Telephone WireFishin' Blues (Henry Thomas); Honey, Just Allow Me One More Chance (Henry Thomas); Rainy Day Women # 12 & 35; and It Ain't Me, Babe.

All songs Dylan unless otherwise noted.

So there's definitely enough for album.

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Damn, I want that album

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