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Blinded by The Beatles
22 October 2015
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Do any of you ever feel like you like the Beatles so much that you have morphed them into something they are not?

Sometimes I feel like I have done this, and that the only reason I like them is because I always have so I just never question it, and even if I did question it I wouldn't get the true answer because I don't like The Beatles; I like who/what I think The Beatles are or what I subconsciously want them to be.

One example of this is when I was younger, Help was my favorite movie. I thought it was the funniest thing in the world. Now when I watch it, though, there are still some funny parts and it's still a good movie, but it's not half as funny as I used to think it was. If it wasn't a Beatles movie I would have hated it four years ago, but I liked it because it was them and I thought it was funny because I wanted it to be funny because it was them.

Sometimes I wish that I could see them without being such a big fan, because being such a big fan of them can sometimes be blinding.

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22 October 2015
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That's very true but you know... they are THEM after all : ) 

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22 October 2015
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Actually, I find it quite the opposite. 

Sometimes I can be bogged down by the Beatles' legacy; when reading about how they changed the world and have a huge following worldwide and that, I start to feel a bit alienated from the whole what-it's-really-about and I have to remind myself, remember where it's at. 

They're just people, those four legendary lads. I vastly prefer to see them as good old mates than gods, though one can be overawed by the fabosity. When the fabosity and the legend and 'the games begin to drag me down', I just get a glimpse of how human they are, how like you or me, and it's all right. We met them through the music, and yes, the fascinating trivia and stories and the lives behind the songs kept us going, but I thin much of  the great quest for Beatlemaniology stems from wanting to know the music better. And sometimes it really enhances the experience to know that Martha My Dear was a two-handed piano exercise before it became a (wholly platonic) ode to Paul's pet sheepdog, or that the working title of I Want To Tell You was 'Laxton's Superb' after the apple, or that Hey Jude was written for Julian.... the examples go on. But really, what- or whoever inspired John to reverse the tapes at the end of Rain , it's the sound-- not the process behind it-- that is important. 

Just enjoy the music and everything else doesn't really matter, whether or not John had lay geanings or what notes they played to make *that* opening chord or I Am The Walrus was written on LSD- all of that stuff is interesting and it's why we're all here on this forum and spend our lives waiting for Mark Lewisohn or whatever his name is, because we Beatlemaniacs NEED TO KNOW, but really, we don't NEED-- we want. And it's good to want to know. Often, it can enhance your enjoyment of a song to know the story behind it, but the enjoyment of the song is the whole point. You can't get too distracted by the outer trappings to forget: 

In the beginning, and in the end, the music is where it's at. 

 

(That was unusually philosophical for someone posting under the moniker 'Silly Girl'...) 

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22 October 2015
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This is called nostalgia blinders. I've watched movies from childhood and realized how bad it is.

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I thought I was blinded by the Beatles. It turns out I was just looking at the cover of the White Album

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22 October 2015
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Are you trying to lighten this thread after my highly philosophical word-vomit? 

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No.

I've gotten bored by the endless crappy books about them that say nothing new yet get plenty wrong, the awful documentaries that are just as bad as the books if not worse, fed up with Apple who for years have screwed everything up whilst treating the fans as brain dead pinatas who they only have to beat with a new product and the cash flows out. 

But the Beatles as an entity getting past all of the above and more I still get more joy out of then ever, if anything its more. It may sound daft but somehow they have always fit into my life and soul. Tastes change, i dont like everything they ever did, however they're still the one act I cannot get tired of and their legacy doesnt come into that. Its an after issue. Today I listened to 'Beatles For Sale ' for the first time in 3 or 4 months and it was as brilliant as when i first heard it.

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22 October 2015
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I haven't known them very long so I can't really answer the question thoroughly. I'm still in the throes of first love. I hope this stage last for 20 more years...at least.

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a-hard-days-night-john-3 Throes, not throws. 

(That was triviala-hard-days-night-george-4

But spelling corrections aside, I agree with the above comments. I could never 'get over' the Beatles. I can only get into the Beatles, and then into them some more, finding new brilliant things all the time, reveling in old brilliant things. 

...Helping us all to remember/ What we came here for./ This Is Love *love*/ This is la la la la love. - a-hard-days-night-george-3 

It's Real Love , yes it's Real Love . Oh yes it is, it's true, it's true. 

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Any chance of a mod fixing the typo in the thread title?

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23 October 2015
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Ron Nasty said

Any chance of a mod fixing the typo in the thread title?

From this time forth you are Bealtes with an..hang on...Bleates with a..no that's wrong...Bestlea...aargh. Now my flaming pie has gone out paul-mccartney

@Little Piggy Dragonguy I think it's almost impossible to know whether one has blinkers on about the Beatles when the whole culture still whispers reverently of them. Falling in and out of love with some pieces is perfectly normal, but I found your first paragraph more interesting. We can and do point out the wobbly bits of Beatles fandom, so we're not that far gone. But I have to agree with Ian MacDonald when he said we simply don't have the cultural or historical distance to make objective judgements about them (which unfortunately didn't stop him making judgements anyway). Now MacDonald hated the lyrics, he didn't think they would have any longevity compared to the music and I respectfully disagree but neither of us will know the judgement of those in a century hence. The music is even harder to judge because it was written at the best possible moment to capture the imagination of an entire culture, and the Beatles had the talent to revisit and in some cases revitalize the musical culture of centuries past.

I find it difficult to imagine a future culture where popular music is once again appreciated as a diversity and where some musicians can once again "sum up" Western music, but it's always possible. And then it may be possible to make a comparison. It's very tiresome to hear people making Beatles comparisons with current groups, I feel it's quite unfair to them. Everyone owes a debt to them, will always owe a debt. But let new beginnings begin, and enjoy the Beatles in their own unrepeatable world. I don't think that's blinkers: blinkers would mean I actually enjoy Magical Mystery Tour the movie (I don't really).a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Ron Nasty said
Any chance of a mod fixing the typo in the thread title?

Oh - we're not talking about The Bealtes?

Because that totally changes the answer I was about to give!

I can see where you are coming from @Little Piggy Dragonguy - but for me, no. I treat them the same as all of the other artists / bands I like. Having said that I have about 10 of those artists / bands who I seem to have some sort of universal connection with and I just really appreciate pretty much everything they do. So in my case, they don't get special treatment but I really really love all of their output - well, barring the last bit of Hey Jude 🙂

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23 October 2015
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Blinded by four Godlike figures who could do no wrong in my eyes and I'd even have their babies if physically possible? Never!

BSF... as ewe2 so eloquently put it, "We can and do point out the wobbly bits of Beatles fandom, so we're not that far gone". I do love them, their music and the movies because I truly enjoy them. I'm not one easily blinded into liking a song or what not just because it is from someone I admire. There have been plenty of times when I've read or heard one of them say something I did not agree with and thought, "oh shut up".

It is an interesting question though. Id be interested in reading more responses.

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23 October 2015
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I do feel that they've changed from miraculous figures into ordinary men as a result of my learning more about them. I even have a hard time saying "Yes, but they were four ordinary men who came together to make miraculous music," because the more I listen to the music the more I see the imperfections in that too. But for the time being, there are new, shiny Beatles objects on my shelves that have a certain magic. One day they won't be new and shiny and they will have imperfections too.

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I pretty much agree with Silly Girl's post of 22 October 2015 7.08pm.  If I understand correctly, she was making a case for both a preoccupied curiosity about the hows & whys of Beatle trivia for certain songs, and just enjoying the music for its own sake.  One very specific memory of the former I have thanks to Joe's information page was learning that on "I'm Looking Through You " Ringo is recording his finger tapping out the rhythm on a little matchbox (see this old post by me under my previous nom de plume noting this).  I tend to enjoy learning musicological tidbits like that more than personal stuff about Beatles.  What brought me to BB in the first place many moons ago was learning from my friend that Yoko Ono is singing backup vocals on "The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill ".  I asked him for proof and he emailed me a link to BB, and the rest is history...

As for how special & extraordinary the Beatles are, I think there's some sui generis genius about their amazingly brief and wondrous musical evolution that no other pop musicians match.  I've even flirted with a deeper sense of their genius less radical perhaps than that "Truth Contest" writer, but not wholly unlike it either (for extended discussions of that, see this old thread from about two years ago here -- this link takes you to a comment of mine, and if the reader is interested they can scroll up and down from there, as well as go to this link). I remember my Greek Orthodox friend who although he's gay and sort of Marxist, is also fiercely devotional and serious about his faith -- we were sitting in a café talking and at one point I happened to wax a bit too much about the Beatles apparently for his taste.  His terse response was:  "The Beatles aren't gods."  I let his non sequitur slide and changed the subject...

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I pretty much agree with Silly Girl's post of 22 October 2015 7.08pm.  If I understand correctly, she was making a case for both a preoccupied curiosity about the hows & whys of Beatle trivia for certain songs, and just enjoying the music for its own sake. <big, un-judicious trim>

Ahhh thanks P-R a-hard-days-night-george-9 

Yes, you understood me rightly. I was feeling hotly passionate and inspired and thusly, may have been somewhat incoherent. Thanks for the neat summation! 

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