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sgtpepper63 said
As far as musical output, it would be a hard choice, as John and Paul both had great solo work, but I am going with John because he collaborated with George and Ringo whereas Paul didn’t collaborate with any former Beatle originally and the worst would be Ringo, one of the best drummers of all time but sucks balls at singing. As people, although I question some of his beliefs, I really like how John and Yoko stood by their beliefs that militaries and wars were wrong and peace is the true answer to our problems, even after everyone else did. I bet that if John was alive during the time of 9/11, he’d hold an event and sing Give Peace A Chance . Also, I must say that John Lennon has really touched my older brother with his points of view, so that’s another reason why I say John has the best morals, although there’s nothing wrong with Paul, George, Ringo, or even Billy’s morals.  

I think the best morals to have are family values. John abandoned his son for like four years and then when his son finally visited him he was cold and distant to him. Julian did not grow up a wealthy child, and his mom could barely afford his schooling due to the lackluster amount of child support she received. Meanwhile John Lennon was one of the most wealthy rock musicians alive. John was a hypocrite. He was all over the world talking about peace and love but he abandoned his own baby.

I do agree with the ideas of peace, love, and non-violence, and I also believe that John believed in those also, but I do not believe that John lived the best example of those compared to the other three. 

Leppo said
There are some major differences between Ringo’s circumstances and John’s @Little Piggy Dragonguy . Ringo’s first child was born towards the end of their gruelling touring years and John’s was born at the beginning. Ringo didn’t have the pressure of having to come up with hit after hit and the solitary time needed to come up with the inspiration for those songs. Ringo was also at a loose end once he’d recorded his drum part in the studio. So their work load wasn’t the same. Also Ringo and Maureen were together untill 1975 but who is to say what would have happened if they had split earlier like John and Cynthia did. Also you can’t compare Paul’s life in Wings to John’s at the height of Beatlemania.

If you really love and care for somebody, you find time for them, and John sure had no problems finding time to spend with Yoko during The Beatles, so how can you excuse him for not finding time for his own baby during the same time period? Also, what I was mostly referring to was when John had no contact with Julian for four years in the seventies. He no longer had any pressure of being a Beatle, so that can’t even be used as a (lame) excuse for him abandoning his child. And are you really implying that Richard would have abandoned his children if he and his wife had split up before The Beatles did? That’s a horrible thing to imply. Ringo didn’t abandon his kids when they did eventually split up, so why would he have done it if they had split up five or six years earlier?

You really think John never made a better album than Ringo? 

I never said that. I think some John albums are better than some Ringo albums, but I also think some Ringo albums are better than some of John’s albums. I wasn’t solely basing my order off of their music. I also factored in who they were/are as human beings. 

Starr Shine? said
Yoko was for the most part, during the post touring days.  

I know that. I was using her as an example of how John made time for what he wants to make time for. 

Leppo said
To judge him against other fathers I think is wrong because no one had ever been through what The Beatles went through. It’s a unique set of circumstances.

Yes, because being a Beatle totally debilitated his abilities of being a good father even after The Beatles broke up. The other three went through the same things and they all ended up being dads to their children. Using The Beatles as an excuse for what he did to his baby is both wrong and a bad justification for what he did. 

You are happy to bash John as a “horrible father” and give Ringo as an example but Ringo had issues too. I won’t spell them out as I know many people are sensitive about these things.   

Yes, Richard also had issues, as does everybody, but I’m afraid that his issues are irrelevant to this conversation. You stated that the reason John couldn’t be a dad to Julian was because he was in a band and making music – that is when I used Richard and Paul as examples of musicians who did not abandon their children.