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Best and Worst Beatle after the Beatles?
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Not sure if this post has been made Before. But if it haven't i'm starting one now.

 

Who do you Think was the best and worst Beatle after the beatles?  I guess i start.

 

4:Ringo Starr

Best Album: Ringo!

Best Song: Back Off Boogaloo

 

3:Paul McCartney

Best Album: Ram

Best Song: Maybe I'm Amazed

 

2:John Lennon

Best Album: Plastic Ono Band

Best Song: Imagine or Jealous Guy

 

1:George Harrison

Best Album: All Things Must Pass

Best Song: What Is Life?

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When you say best and worst, are you talking strictly of their musical output, or also them as people?

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As far as musical output, it would be a hard choice, as John and Paul both had great solo work, but I am going with John because he collaborated with George and Ringo whereas Paul didn't collaborate with any former Beatle originally and the worst would be Ringo, one of the best drummers of all time but sucks balls at singing. As people, although I question some of his beliefs, I really like how John and Yoko stood by their beliefs that militaries and wars were wrong and peace is the true answer to our problems, even after everyone else did. I bet that if John was alive during the time of 9/11, he'd hold an event and sing Give Peace A Chance . Also, I must say that John Lennon has really touched my older brother with his points of view, so that's another reason why I say John has the best morals, although there's nothing wrong with Paul, George, Ringo, or even Billy's morals.

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Based on what I've heard.

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As far as musical output, it would be a hard choice, as John and Paul both had great solo work, but I am going with John because he collaborated with George and Ringo whereas Paul didn't collaborate with any former Beatle originally and the worst would be Ringo, one of the best drummers of all time but sucks balls at singing. As people, although I question some of his beliefs, I really like how John and Yoko stood by their beliefs that militaries and wars were wrong and peace is the true answer to our problems, even after everyone else did. I bet that if John was alive during the time of 9/11, he'd hold an event and sing Give Peace A Chance . Also, I must say that John Lennon has really touched my older brother with his points of view, so that's another reason why I say John has the best morals, although there's nothing wrong with Paul, George, Ringo, or even Billy's morals.  

I think the best morals to have are family values. John abandoned his son for like four years and then when his son finally visited him he was cold and distant to him. Julian did not grow up a wealthy child, and his mom could barely afford his schooling due to the lackluster amount of child support she received. Meanwhile John Lennon was one of the most wealthy rock musicians alive. John was a hypocrite. He was all over the world talking about peace and love but he abandoned his own baby.

I do agree with the ideas of peace, love, and non-violence, and I also believe that John believed in those also, but I do not believe that John lived the best example of those compared to the other three. 

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The way I look at it is that John sacrificed his family life for his art. Perhaps it was selfish but if he didn't we wouldn't have that world changing legacy of songs and events and we wouldn't be here talking about the Beatles. There is that old saying. "The enemy of art is a pram in the hallway". It is sad though that Julian was the one to suffer. 

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When you say best and worst, are you talking strictly of their musical output, or also them as people?  

Both. Pretty much Everything they did after The Beatles. I ranked mainly from musical output but also how they were as people. For example, John Lennon had perhaps the best albums but he was an asshole. George Harrison was funny and smart. That's why i ranked him over Lennon.

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The way I look at it is that John sacrificed his family life for his art. Perhaps it was selfish but if he didn't we wouldn't have that world changing legacy of songs and events and we wouldn't be here talking about the Beatles. There is that old saying. "The enemy of art is a pram in the hallway". It is sad though that Julian was the one to suffer.   

Ringo had children as a Beatle, and as far as I know, he did not abandon them. Paul had a whole family during Wings and was making great music without having abandoned his children. It's not true that we wouldn't have the music we have if he hadn't been such a horrible father. That's just a bad excuse. 

But anyways, my order would go like this:

1. Paul 
2. George
3. Richard
4. John

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Music-wise, my personal preference goes something like: 

1. GEORGE (duh!). It was his music that got me into solo Beatles stuff, period. He really didn't blossom until the Beatles were almost over, so his solo music is really where he comes into his own. 

2. Paul. His music is full of chaff, but there are a lot of gems as well, and I always find them enjoyable. He has just written a lot of stuff, so you'd expect some of it to be rubbish. 

3. John. I find most of his stuff a bit hard to get into, but there are some songs, like Watching The Wheels or Love, that I really, really dig. 

 

Haven't listened to too much Ringo so I can't judge. Otherwise this list matches my favouritism of Beatles exactly. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

 

As for them personally, I probably admire Paul the most. He was and is a good family man, which I appreciate. George had some bad times in the early seventies, but I think after he met Olivia things got better, and of course I'm partial to him because he is my favourite Beatle.  a-hard-days-night-george-9 Ringo had ups and downs, and John, well, we all know he was hypocritical at times.  

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There are some major differences between Ringo's circumstances and John's @Little Piggy Dragonguy . Ringo's first child was born towards the end of their gruelling touring years and John's was born at the beginning. Ringo didn't have the pressure of having to come up with hit after hit and the solitary time needed to come up with the inspiration for those songs. Ringo was also at a loose end once he'd recorded his drum part in the studio. So their work load wasn't the same. Also Ringo and Maureen were together untill 1975 but who is to say what would have happened if they had split earlier like John and Cynthia did. Also you can't compare Paul's life in Wings to John's at the height of Beatlemania.

You really think John never made a better album than Ringo? My order in terms of albums would go John, Paul, George, Ringo. That's got a nice ring to it.

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There are some major differences between Ringo's circumstances and John's @Little Piggy Dragonguy . Ringo's first child was born towards the end of their gruelling touring years and John's was born at the beginning. Ringo didn't have the pressure of having to come up with hit after hit and the solitary time needed to come up with the inspiration for those songs. Ringo was also at a loose end once he'd recorded his drum part in the studio. So their work load wasn't the same. Also Ringo and Maureen were together untill 1975 but who is to say what would have happened if they had split earlier like John and Cynthia did. Also you can't compare Paul's life in Wings to John's at the height of Beatlemania.

If you really love and care for somebody, you find time for them, and John sure had no problems finding time to spend with Yoko during The Beatles, so how can you excuse him for not finding time for his own baby during the same time period? Also, what I was mostly referring to was when John had no contact with Julian for four years in the seventies. He no longer had any pressure of being a Beatle, so that can't even be used as a (lame) excuse for him abandoning his child. And are you really implying that Richard would have abandoned his children if he and his wife had split up before The Beatles did? That's a horrible thing to imply. Ringo didn't abandon his kids when they did eventually split up, so why would he have done it if they had split up five or six years earlier?

You really think John never made a better album than Ringo? 

I never said that. I think some John albums are better than some Ringo albums, but I also think some Ringo albums are better than some of John's albums. I wasn't solely basing my order off of their music. I also factored in who they were/are as human beings. 

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Yoko was for the most part, during the post touring days.

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Yoko was for the most part, during the post touring days.  

I know that. I was using her as an example of how John made time for what he wants to make time for. 

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I think John mentioned once that because he's spent so long away from home that he hardly knew Julian and perhaps he'd never made that bond. To judge him against other fathers I think is wrong because no one had ever been through what The Beatles went through. It's a unique set of circumstances.

You are happy to bash John as a "horrible father" and give Ringo as an example but Ringo had issues too. I won't spell them out as I know many people are sensitive about these things. 

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To judge him against other fathers I think is wrong because no one had ever been through what The Beatles went through. It's a unique set of circumstances.

Yes, because being a Beatle totally debilitated his abilities of being a good father even after The Beatles broke up. The other three went through the same things and they all ended up being dads to their children. Using The Beatles as an excuse for what he did to his baby is both wrong and a bad justification for what he did. 

You are happy to bash John as a "horrible father" and give Ringo as an example but Ringo had issues too. I won't spell them out as I know many people are sensitive about these things.   

Yes, Richard also had issues, as does everybody, but I'm afraid that his issues are irrelevant to this conversation. You stated that the reason John couldn't be a dad to Julian was because he was in a band and making music - that is when I used Richard and Paul as examples of musicians who did not abandon their children. 

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Yes, Richard also had issues, as does everybody, but I'm afraid that his issues are irrelevant to this conversation.

 

You previously said "I wasn't solely basing my order off of their music. I also factored in who they were/are as human beings." so it is relevant to this conversation.

 

The other three went through the same things and they all ended up being dads to their children.

Yes but they were within the same relationships whereas John and Cynthia had split and joined new relationships which creates more complications regarding access.

The other thing to consider is the social impact of John's parents not being there for him and it is a sad fact that the result is that these things do go in cycles. I'm sure he still provided for Julian. I just think you are judging him too harshly.

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It is also important to consider the unique trama that John went through when he was young. Paul and Ringo had a tough time too, but not compared to John. Plus he never had a father to be in his life and set an example. That could be behind his poor parenting choices. 

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I think the best morals to have are family values. John abandoned his son for like four years and then when his son finally visited him he was cold and distant to him. Julian did not grow up a wealthy child, and his mom could barely afford his schooling due to the lackluster amount of child support she received. Meanwhile John Lennon was one of the most wealthy rock musicians alive. John was a hypocrite. He was all over the world talking about peace and love but he abandoned his own baby.

I do agree with the ideas of peace, love, and non-violence, and I also believe that John believed in those also, but I do not believe that John lived the best example of those compared to the other three.   

I know you guys think John abandoned Julian (and he did), but he had a hell of a hard choice to make. Imagine if he stayed home to take care of Julian, The Beatles would've been like Witchfinder General or the TurboGrafx-16, a completely forgotten failure. Also, John did come back to Julian once The Beatles stopped touring and wrote Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds , Good Night , and arguably the most classic song of all time, Hey Jude . I remember it was a Sunday and since our parents let us sleep over friends houses on school nights, we were sleeping over at a friends house with my older brother (we have a lot of the same friends) when The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour came on and the four of us (there was also another friend sleeping over, born 1962) stared singing along at the chorus, we were talking about it for the entire week and I bet Julian went to kindergarten and said that song is about me and my daddy plays guitar on it. Also, I think John's beliefs were non-killing, not non-violence, as their is a difference. My brother is against killing even in self defense, but if someone puts their hands on him or his family he will beat the shit out of them. He actually almost got arrested for snapping someone's arm and giving them a black eye for grabbing his wife's tits, although he settled it out of court.

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Paul wrote Hey Jude .

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Forgot Paul wrote it (should've guessed that considering he sang it), although my sentence was still relevant, as it was written about Julian. Also, I forgot to say, but John didn't neglect Julian and if John Jr. (kind of stupid that he named him after himself even though he didn't even make it) wasn't dead on arrival, I bet John wouldn't have neglected him either.

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