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Beatles wives and girlfriends
27 February 2019
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Saltie said

Should this not have ended up in the Beatle LoLs! thread?

Wonderfully uncalled for comment there @Saltie. You can criticise a comment but you don't have to be an asshole about it. Also @someone if you're directly replying to their comment, that way they'll at least see what you've written about them if they don't check all of the threads (like I do).

Obviously, every wife was supportive but to repeat 'supportive' over and over again for each wife would make the word negligible.

Jane was a professional actress touring with companies, and doing films, she had to be away from Paul a lot. Paul is someone who needs a companion by his side (both Linda and Nancy went/goes with him everywhere he goes). In that way she was not supportive to Paul in that she wanted to be an independent woman with her own career (which is fine) whereas Linda and Nancy was/is happier to spend most of their time working with Paul and his career than independently (which is also fine). 

Pattie was a party girl who used to go out to nightclubs and parties a lot even when George didn't want to (once he got past 24/25 he started to shun them). It's known that he used to ring nightclubs and people's houses in the early hours of the morning wondering when his wife was coming home. Olivia was constantly at home, and was a housewife rather than Pattie who was a model and was away doing television ads, going on holidays with her friends etc. Although, you could say the main difference between his relationship with Pattie and Olivia is that with Olivia he had a child to take care of, whereas Pattie couldn't physically have children.

John needed someone who wasn't afraid to be different, and spontaneous, which Yoko was. He had 'mother issues' for want of a better phrase, and needed someone who could be that matriarchal figure as well as a supportive wife to him. Cynthia was more placid and obedient than self-confident and loud which Yoko is. In that case Cynthia wasn't the particular 'supporting figure' that John needed in his life. 

 

Of course each wife was supportive, that's kind of the definitive of being a partner to someone. For every wife I can list cases of them supporting their husband but as a mere-summary of their personalities in the 2 sentences that I did, I think I did a reasonable summation of their characteristics. Obviously, you cannot deduce a person's whole being down to 2 sentences and I did not say my few lines were definitive biographies. 

The husbands of course are not to be ignored in this case, in that many of them were unsupportive of their wife's endeavours. However, this is a thread about the wives and girlfriends so I stuck to them. What I was trying to say is that their second partners were more supportive to their husband's needs than the firsts, which is why the relationships worked.

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28 February 2019
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 @AppleScruffJunior. I'm sorry you were offended. If you can't recognise a flippant comment when you see one, then I'm sorry, but firstly I was replying to another poster and, secondly, your supposed summation had no justification whatsoever. And there was no need for you to be hurtful by abusing me like that either. 

Why did the Beatles' second marriages succeed? Because the Beatles didn't exist any more. They had disbanded which led to them leading more normal lives where they could be together and raise their childrenInstead, you resorted to the supposed character flaws of their first wives, and blamed the careers of their girlfriends for not being there for them or not meeting their needs.

These girls met them before their rise to fame and stood by them. The fame, the adulation, the drugs not only affected the Beatles, but also those closest to them and those who loved them. It was just as much a journey for them too. When Lennon, McCartney and Harrison proudly announced to the world how they had now met the loves of their lives, and how they had never loved anyone before, it was sick making. And the saddest thing about these now spoilt, entitled men is knowing that Yoko, Linda et al. wouldn't have looked at them twice back in 1963. 

I love the Beatles. I thought this forum was about them and their music, but all I keep stumbling across are the miserable, antiquated misogynist attitudes entrenched in the history of their personal lives. Then there's Heather Mills, significantly absent from the 'wives and girlfriends' thread, a person with an obvious personality disorder, and with a child old enough to possibly read some of the horrible comments about her mother that I've read on this site. And they didn't need to be treated as lols, as it appears that many people here found them to be very funny anyway. So this is what it takes to be a Beatles fan these days - now more about the cult of the personality, or incessant John vs Paul diatribes, or the elevation of Yoko Ono and Linda McCartney as fifth and sixth Beatles respectively. The music has become secondary.

Introverts Unite - I've noticed that. As an introvert myself, it's become obvious over the last few months that this is no forum, just another clique, which I was naive enough to believe didn't exist online. I'm done here.

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@Saltie said
ASJ, I'm sorry you were offended. 

You might as well say 'sorry, not sorry' if you're using that line. It's not a real apology. 

If you can't recognise a flippant comment when you see one, then I'm sorry, but firstly I was replying to another poster and, secondly, your supposed summation had no justification whatsoever. And there was no need for you to be hurtful by abusing me like that either. 

Once again another "I'm sorry you're failing at understanding what I'm saying" i.e. putting the blame on me. Flippant is defined as "not showing a serious or respectful attitude", you're meant to be respectful on this forum, and I am more than happy for someone to disagree with my comments, or anyone's comments. If this forum was nothing but an echo chamber it would be a very dull place indeed. Suggesting my opinions are a joke is not respectful, and I don't appreciate your offhand apologies. I stand by my use of describing your comment as being asshole-ish because it was. It was a rude comment that was unnecessary and if you're going to disagree with someone's comment you can say it in a much nicer way. I'm sure you're a nice person in real life but your wording was unjustified, and in your original comment you didn't explain as to why it's rightful place was in the lol thread, you just threw it out there that my opinion on the matter is a joke. 

These girls met them before their rise to fame and stood by them.

Pattie immediately debunks your theory there. She met him in '64, when as I'm sure you know Beatlemania was at its peak, married in early '66, and their marriage lasted 4 years after the Beatles' break-up, albeit it was hanging by a thread by '73. As for the rest of the woman, yeah sure, I respect your opinion but I disagree with you for the reasons I've stated before. 

So this is what it takes to be a Beatles fan these days - now more about the cult of the personality, or incessant John vs Paul diatribes, or the elevation of Yoko Ono and Linda McCartney as fifth and sixth Beatles respectively. The music has become secondary.
Introverts Unite - I've noticed that. As an introvert myself, it's become obvious over the last few months that this is no forum, just another clique, which I was naive enough to believe didn't exist online. I'm done here.

This is all just extra stuff about the forum, and you can believe whatever you want. I don't care.

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1 March 2019
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AppleScruffJunior said

 "I'm sorry you're failing at understanding what I'm saying" 

Isn't that what you were doing to me? I have no problem with you replying to my posts, it's the way you went about it that I found so patronising. It's the "oh, lets just explain it to her yet again so she understands this time" attitude that I found so smug. Every time anyone attempts to put any perspective about their first relationships, someone has to weigh in with their superior knowledge and remind us yet again how John wanted someone who... or Paul needed someone who... etc. I take it you are a much younger Beatle fan who presumes to know what the guys wanted even more than they did themselves. What gives you the right to say those things on their behalf? You don't have personal ownership of them. Relationships are much more complicated than that. People want or need different things from other people all the time. Don't back walk on your explanation as to whether their wives were supportive or not. It's glaringly obvious in your opinion that you didn't think some of them were, without any real evidence to back this up.

Pattie immediately debunks your theory there. She met him in '64, when as I'm sure you know Beatlemania was at its peak, married in early '66, and their marriage lasted 4 years after the Beatles' break-up, albeit it was hanging by a thread by '73. As for the rest of the woman, yeah sure, I respect your opinion but I disagree with you for the reasons I've stated before. 

There you go again, patiently explaining it all as if to a five year old or to someone who has been sleeping under a rock for most of their lives. You may not realise you are being condescending, but you are. Yes, I did know that Pattie had met George on the set of A Hard Day's Night when my parents took me to see the film on it's first release when I was a child. And when they got married in 1966 - I knew that too, believe it or not, as I read it in the paper. And meanwhile, between these events, George had his numerous flings and one night stands on his tours and elsewhere. It took guts for Pattie to write her side of the story, warts and all, but slut shaming is hardly anything new is it, and after all, George was a rock star and obviously "no saint".

Yes, I am a nice person and I don't go round a-holing people either verbally or in writing every time I think I've been disrespected and stand on my dignity. And in advising me on how to behave, perhaps you could get off your high horse and start practising what you preach. 

 

  

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So to inject some happiness into this thread..............

 

I always get a grin on my face whenever I hear the end of Get Back when Maureen cheers (somewhat akin to a mum watching a child perform) and Paul says 'Thanks Mo' - something so simple, yet its inclusion on the album is so beautiful. *inserts Maureen smiley*

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AppleScruffJunior said a looooooong time ago, on 9 July 2014

Which Beatle girl are you quiz

I'm mostly Yoko, Jane, and Linda:
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hehehe I'm not a nice domestic Beatles girlfriend, apparently ahdn_george_06

It verges from the sublime to the ridiculote

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100% Linda apple01

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TheWalrusWasBrian said
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Me too! I'm also 82% Yoko.

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0% Heather Mills. Something to be proud of.

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100% Linda, 90-something% Barbara, 90-something% Jane- my acting past has caught up on me.

My lowest was Mo, 0%. Poor Maureen.

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Can't say I can continue the Yoko trend...

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You’re me.

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