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1 February 2016
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IDK. If I see any more stories about it that have pictures of the inside, I'll let you know.

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There may be new information out there that necessitates a revision of your 6 September 1966 page, @Joe.

From the Examiner: John Lennon's locks from 'How I Won the War" expected to go for $10,000

On September 6, 1966, John Lennon got a haircut. But this wasn't just any haircut. It was in preparation for his upcoming dramatic role as Private Gripweed in the film “How I Won the War” and meant getting his Beatle “mop top” hair cut very short. A clump of John’s hair from this famous haircut will be auctioned off to interested bidders at the Entertainment & Music Memorabilia Signature Auction in Dallas on February 20, 2016. John Lennon Examiner spoke to Garry Shrum, Consignment Director for Heritage Auctions today, February 3, 2016, about this interesting piece of history.

John Lennon 's famous haircut in Germany for 'How I Won the War' made the papers the next day.

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The hair, among other items related to that cut, is being offered by original owner Klaus Baruck, the Hamburg hairdresser who not only sheared off Lennon’s locks that day, but has wisely held onto them for fifty years. Kept in a barber’s towel this whole time, tucked away in a drawer, he is ready to give this prized piece of history up.

The overall length of the lock being offered is described as about four inches, and “likely contains hundreds of strands.” According to the auction description, it is the “largest lock of Lennon’s hair ever sold at auction. Mr. Shrum explained to us in an email, “ It was kept in a barber’s towel and we moved it to a small box. The towel is included in the auction.” As to why Mr. Baruck is selling now, Mr. Shrum said, “He heard of our success with our Beatles items in the German media when we sold the Hamburg Beatles Museum.” (The museum, Beatlemania Hamburg opened in 2009 and was sold in 2012.)

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People really do buy rubbish.

Kind of hoping the individual who bought John's tooth buys his hair just for the extra creepy angle; go round his place and find a weird mannequin with one tooth and a patch of hair on his head. 

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If the hair was cut, it wouldn't have any DNA so the people who buy it can't clone him.

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That's good to know. Now if we can get the dude with John's tooth to give up on the cloning idea...

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I don't think cloning would be such a bad thing. The kid, while having John Lennon 's DNA, wouldn't be John Lennon .

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Annadog40 said
If the hair was cut, it wouldn't have any DNA so the people who buy it can't clone him.

That's a common misconception, @Starr Shine?. While cut or broken hair doesn't contain nuclear DNA, as no cell nucleus, found within the root and follicle, but it would contain mitochondrial DNA (from the mother's line) which exists outside of a cell nucleus. Mitochondrial DNA is important in cloning, and though no way (so far as I know) has been found to use the mitochondrial DNA found in cut or broken hair to create a clone, who knows how far off that development is.

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If the hair was cut, it wouldn't have any DNA so the people who buy it can't clone him.

That's a common misconception, Annadog40. While cut or broken hair doesn't contain nuclear DNA, as no cell nucleus, found within the root and follicle, but it would contain mitochondrial DNA (from the mother's line) which exists outside of a cell nucleus. Mitochondrial DNA is important in cloning, and though no way (so far as I know) has been found to use the mitochondrial DNA found in cut or broken hair to create a clone, who knows how far off that development is.

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Thanks for the info. I learned something new about cloning.

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Wouldn't it kinda be hard to clone because if the person with John's tooth, for example, to touch it because doesn't the DNA become less and less, um, able to pick apart, in a way? I know nothing about cloning, or most science stuff besides mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell and what a niche is. Thanks for the help, in advance!

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Wouldn't it kinda be hard to clone because if the person with John's tooth, for example, to touch it because doesn't the DNA become less and less, um, able to pick apart, in a way? I know nothing about cloning, or most science stuff besides mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell and what a niche is. Thanks for the help, in advance!

Their would be a lot of legal stuff the dentist would have to go through. I wonder if Yoko would be able to take legal action if someone attempts to clone John.

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Where did the idea that the hair was all burned come from...which book, article, etc.?

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Out of interest how do we know this is John's hair and not some random persons found in a cupboard or drawer?

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The story that all the hair was burnt was reported in the press at the time, @Ahhh Girl. And it would still be mainly true, as this seems to just be a memento grabbed by the barber that nobody knew about before it was gathered up for the burning.

Without tests to compare it to known samples of John's hair (and they do exist), @meanmistermustard, we can't be absolutely certain. However, the acceptance of many artefacts associated with historical figures is based on provenance, and since the seller in this instance is the barber who did the hair cut, the provenance is couldn't get any better. In the end though, whether you yourself believe it's John's hair comes down to whether you judge Klaus Baruck's account as believable, or whether you think he's lying. Certainly, had he saved some hair from that haircut, it seems highly unlikely he would have got it mixed up.

As people get older, and sometimes after their deaths, it could be that some surprising things turn up that were supposed to have been lost or not exist.

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The lock of John's hair cut in 1966 (see here for more details) sold for a "world record $35,000 on Feb. 20 at the Entertainment & Music Memorabilia sale in Dallas by Heritage Auctions," reports Examiner

Further in the same article Examiner writes 

Today's auction also set a world record for a non-autographed, still sealed gem mint 10 sealed copy of The BeatlesYesterday and Today” Butcher Cover from 1966, which sold for $125,000. “This is by far one of the finest copies of the very limited number of “first state” albums that were released to a small audience,” Shrum said.

Also in the auction was a signed photograph of the Fab Four, which one memorabilia expert called “the greatest signed Beatles photograph known to exist.” It sold for $42,500. The large glossy black-and-white picture taken by photographer Dezo Hoffman of the Beatles performing at the Empire Theatre, Liverpool on December 7th, 1963, was signed boldly in black felt tip marker by all four members of the group beside their respective images.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e.....e-35660169

How absolutely cool is that!!! I think their estimate is really, really low.

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Neato. a-hard-days-night-george-4 

What's the story behind that disk? I've never heard anything about it. 

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I don't really know much about it other than what is in the BBC website link.  It's getting mentioned a bit on the radio also though and The Independent (online) says - 

'The 1962 ten-inch pressing of songs "Till There Was You " and "Hello Little Girl " is adorned with the handwriting of their manager Brian Epstein who branded it a work of 'Paul McCartney & The Beatles' despite the latter track being considered the first song ever written by John Lennon .

The record was the first disc to be pressed before the Fab Four rose to prominence in 1962.  

The person who unearthed the record is Les Maguire, former keyboardist of fellow Liverpool favourites Gerry and thePacemakers. He referred to the discovery as the record "that sparked The Beatles' success."

Describing it as a "one-off," Maguire, 74, revealed that the item was given to him by Epstein in 1963 after its producer George Martin had returned it.'

I agree the estimate sounds low.  Personally I'd rather have it than the hair!a-hard-days-night-john-1

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In February 1962 Brian took the Decca audition tape into the HMV Store on Oxford Street. On the second floor they had a recording booth, and the ability to cut records from tape (kind of similar in ways to the Percy Phillips set-up all those years before that had led to The Quarrymen's That'll Be the Day In Spite Of All The Danger , just rather more professional). His idea was to get the tape cut to discs as those would be easier to play to people.

The discs were cut by Jim Foy. While the discs were being cut, Brian and Jim chatted. Jim expressed liking the band. Brian proudly explained that some of the songs were even written by the group. Discovering they were unpublished, Jim mentioned one of EMI's publishing companies, Ardmore and Beechwood, was another floor up, and would he like Sid Coleman to have a listen. Brian jumped at the chance.

Sid liked the songs enough (Hello Little Girl Love of the Loved and Like Dreamers Do ) to want to publish them, and via whatever route, that took Brian to a first meeting with George Martin on 13 February. It is this very disc, with Brian writing in the details (giving lead singer and band on both sides, unlike suggested in the article, Hello Little Girl  is clearly credited to "John Lennon & The Beatles"), that is said to be the only one of the discs Brian had had cut that George had time to listen to listen.

It was certainly this disc that was taken to a meeting between the two on 9 May, as George wanted something where he could evaluate the lead vocals to decide who would be the lead singer. The disc was left George Martin while Brian rushed off to send a telegram to the boys in Hamburg.

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This disc took us to where Brian meets George Martin and - for whatever reasons - The Beatles get a record contract.

It sits alongside The Quarrymen's disc in importance and rarity so far as I'm concerned.

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Maybe. I'm not sure if this was a one-off. It's possible that there were more cut, but this one happened to survive. I seem to recall hearing about Brian selling copies of Decca recordings in NEMS. Since this was intended to drum up interest in the group, it would have made sense to have enough to send to radio/TV stations as well as A&R people.

I don't know, it may be unique. It's certainly very special given that it was passed on to George Martin and remained in such good condition. And acetates wore out very quickly, so it's possibly that no others survived.

As for rarity, the Quarrymen's disc was absolutely a one-off. For what it's worth, it was also the only place you could get that music at the time, whereas the Decca auditions were reasonably commonplace by the 1970s. Truly unique.

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