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Be Honest: Does Paul (and sometimes Ringo) tend to over-romanticize The Beatles?
18 March 2019
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Let me make this clear: I LOVE PAUL TO DEATH. He's a genius, he's a great guy, he's the modern era equivalent of Mozart and I would scream like a baby girl if he were in the same room as me...but I have to say: I've noticed that John, Paul and George both have VERY different ways of looking at The Beatles as an overall thing. Let me explain:

If you read enough accounts from all four Beatles, you start to notice certain patterns of thought. If you were to ask each of them how they feel about The Beatles' legacy, It was usually John and George that would say "It doesn't matter. We were just a band. If you all like it, that's fine. There are more important things than the Beatles and not everything about it was good in hindsight." But then you get to Paul and he tends to go "Oh yeah! We were all great and it was fun and I'm glad we existed because look how cool we became!" - Now, i'm not saying this is a bad thing, because what Paul tends to do is preserve the legacy by being a good sport about it...but it does make me think. John's whole approach to it was that if people deified The Beatles as an entity too much they'd be believing in something false. He was very concerned that the image of what The Beatles were was not WHO they were in actuality. Whereas Paul and Ringo don't seem to care about it at all.

Another example is The White Album . Paul famously said, "It was great, it sold, it's the bloody BEATLES' White Album !" in a cheeky tone, and Ringo recalls it as "Great. That's what I love! I love being in a band!" - Uh...Ringo? Are you forgetting you QUIT for a hot minute during it? Paul, aren't you forgetting how you hurt John by doing "Why Don't We Do It in The Road" behind his back? THE White Album WAS NOT A HAPPY TIME! Why are you both acting like it was?

Sometimes, I just feel like...for all the gratefulness i have in all they do, Paul and Ringo re-write a lot of history to the general public in a way John would have absolutely hated. I dunno If he OR George would appreciate the shiny, friendly image they seem to present the band as, where everything was peace and love, mop tops and walruses and a good time. I appreciate that they do it, of course, but knowing that they always give a PR friendly answer to everything, even when we know that isn't what happened, seems to kinda go against the whole reason why George and John didn't like glorifying the band in the first place.

I understand both sides, but...i dunno, is it just me that thinks about this?

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I think that's just something that humans do. We remember events of our past as being a lot better than they actually were. Sure, Ringo quit during the White Album and the other Beatles got upset at Paul for taking over, but they're not going to focus on those parts, they're going to remember the happy times.

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Paul has always been that way. He was devastated when The Beatles broke up because he always believed in the band. The problem was he wasn’t very good at motivating the others to stay because he is the reason they wanted to leave.

I’ve always felt Ringo was happy go lucky and just wanted everyone to get along. When he was unhappy it was because everyone else was miserable and he wasn’t having fun anymore.

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I think that's just something that humans do. We remember events of our past as being a lot better than they actually were. Sure, Ringo quit during the White Album and the other Beatles got upset at Paul for taking over, but they're not going to focus on those parts, they're going to remember the happy times.  

Sure, but that isn't always responsible either. I think it's better to be brutally honest then tell the public what it wants to hear. It's like there were two very different ways of looking at it that were both totally valid. If you asked John about Helter Skelter , he'd say "Meh, it was all just noise" - you ask PAUL about it, he says "We really had fun doing it! First heavy metal track, woo!" - Both of these are technically correct, but painted in an entirely different narrative. I almost would prefer paul just say "Yeah, the sessions for it were a bit rough. We did way too many takes and this was around the time I started to get a bit controlling, but it turned out well I think. I wouldn't say it was the first metal track but it was written to be heavy for sure." That just seems way more accurate and not so over the top bubbly. mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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Paul has always been that way. He was devastated when The Beatles broke up because he always believed in the band. The problem was he wasn’t very good at motivating the others to stay because he is the reason they wanted to leave.

I’ve always felt Ringo was happy go lucky and just wanted everyone to get along. When he was unhappy it was because everyone else was miserable and he wasn’t having fun anymore./utilcave_com/inc/ezcl.webp?cb=4  

This will be harsh to say, but honestly? The moment Paul rallied them into the studio after Epstein died, he effed up. That was the worst thing he could have done. You can't make music you believe in and enjoy it if all your hearts aren't in it. John said the moment they dound out "That's it, we're F**ked now" and he was right. They needed to have a VERY long group discussion about what to do. Not just go straight in the studio.

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Who says Paul is pretending? He may have had a great time at the Helter Skelter sessions, he may have very fond memories of recording. He's an optimist. That's not a bad thing. I don't have a problem with him romanticizing the Beatles; he was in the Beatles, he can say whatever he wants about them.

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I think Paul does have a bit of a facade.

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I think Paul does have a bit of a facade.

  

Nothing wrong with that. He doesn't owe the public anything, he can keep his true feelings under wraps if he wants to. 

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50yearslate said

Nothing wrong with that. He doesn't owe the public anything, he can keep his true feelings under wraps if he wants to.   

For the general public it's good. In terms of the truth it just isn't.

I want you to imagine (No put intended) how John would feel about this new "Yesterday " movie. I got news for ya: He wouldn't like it and for good reason.

It's like how Queen fans feel about Bohemian Rhapsody. For all the good that movie does to glorify the band, it isn't factual at all. A lot of what Paul presents the band as isn't either.

Also Expert Textpert, I added a response to you above.

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What I'm trying to say is this:

Either Paul is lying about his feelings about the Beatles, or he's being honest about the way he remembers it.

If he's lying, I don't care. He doesn't owe us anything, he can talk about the Beatles however he wants to.

If he's not lying and he remembers his Beatle days as happy ones, there is nothing at all wrong with that. 

Now there's really no way for us to know which one is true in this situation, and I think it's a little pretentious to assume that we do. We weren't there; Paul was. I think he knows a little better than we do.

No offense intended; just trying to say what I think. 

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Paul has his shortcomings, but I like him and his music.

I think he played a much bigger role in the breakup than he will admit.

I am actually looking forward to the Yesterday movie. I don’t mind a formulaic comedy and nothing Beatles-related is sacred to me.

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What I'm trying to say is this:

Either Paul is lying about his feelings about the Beatles, or he's being honest about the way he remembers it.

If he's lying, I don't care. He doesn't owe us anything, he can talk about the Beatles however he wants to.

If he's not lying and he remembers his Beatle days as happy ones, there is nothing at all wrong with that. 

Now there's really no way for us to know which one is true in this situation, and I think it's a little pretentious to assume that we do. We weren't there; Paul was. I think he knows a little better than we do.

No offense intended; just trying to say what I think. 

  

I agree with this for the most part, although I do think Paul tries to take credit for bits he didn’t write.

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50yearslate said

What I'm trying to say is this:

Either Paul is lying about his feelings about the Beatles, or he's being honest about the way he remembers it.

If he's lying, I don't care. He doesn't owe us anything, he can talk about the Beatles however he wants to.

If he's not lying and he remembers his Beatle days as happy ones, there is nothing at all wrong with that. 

Now there's really no way for us to know which one is true in this situation, and I think it's a little pretentious to assume that we do. We weren't there; Paul was. I think he knows a little better than we do.

No offense intended; just trying to say what I think. 

  

I agree with this for the most part, although I do think Paul tries to take credit for bits he didn’t write.

  

That's different, though, that's factual information. I was talking about Paul's emotions/ feelings about the band. There's a difference between Paul saying he wrote all of Eleanor Rigby and Paul saying he enjoyed recording Eleanor Rigby .

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What I'm trying to say is this:

Either Paul is lying about his feelings about the Beatles, or he's being honest about the way he remembers it.

If he's lying, I don't care. He doesn't owe us anything, he can talk about the Beatles however he wants to.

If he's not lying and he remembers his Beatle days as happy ones, there is nothing at all wrong with that. 

Now there's really no way for us to know which one is true in this situation, and I think it's a little pretentious to assume that we do. We weren't there; Paul was. I think he knows a little better than we do.

No offense intended; just trying to say what I think.   

If Paul is lying I absolutely care. The truth matters. It's like Peter Jackson's upcoming Let It Be film. Do you want Paul to sweep the harsh parts under the rug or be honest about it? I want the latter.

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If Paul doesn't want us to know about the harsh parts, that's his call. 

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1) Yes.
2) Don't we all?
3) What Fiddy said.

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1) Yes.

2) Don't we all?

3) What Fiddy said.

  

I'm confused, what are these numbers referencing?

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Yes, but there's a lot of stuff being said and I'm not sure which thoughts you're agreeing with. 

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Honestly I would trust What Paul says on it more than John most of the time. Maybe Paul has a slight tendency to over exaggerate the positive aspects, and as others have said, John and George were more realistic about it all, but so many of John's post-split interviews come across as very bitter and trying to spoil his own legacy in a way.

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Honestly I would trust What Paul says on it more than John most of the time. Maybe Paul has a slight tendency to over exaggerate the positive aspects, and as others have said, John and George were more realistic about it all, but so many of John's post-split interviews come across as very bitter and trying to spoil his own legacy in a way.  

Why WOULDN'T John be bitter? The whole Beatles phenomenon became something fabricated and untrue. It got to the point where they were being revered as almost literal holy men. You could argue he was TOO sour about it, but at least he wasn't trying to feed into that. Paul on the other hand almost encourages it. Again, nothing is wrong with that because he means well. I just think it would be better if he didn't.

How do we know he won't want things from Let It Be cut? there was a reason it hadn't been on DVD til now.

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