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Anthology - A reunion?
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Do you consider the Anthology project to be a Beatles reunion? 

Obviously, John wasn't there but they were using his tapes and recording new material in the studio.

The fact they didn't play live doesn't matter because The Beatles recorded at least a third of their studio output without playing live.

What do you all think?

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To me, the fact that John had zero conscious input into the process means FAAB/RL are not Beatles recordings. But I sometimes wonder whether "I Me Mine" can be considered a real Beatles track too. It, also, was recorded when the Beatles didn't exist, by three ex-Beatles.

I guess in one limited sense, all those tracks as well as "In Spite of the Danger" can be called Beatles tracks since they all appear on Beatles albums...

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...so, to more literally address the thread title question, I'd call the new Anthology tracks (and possibly IMM) "reunions of Beatle members". (And I suppose I'd have to say the same of "How Do You Sleep" and "I'm The Greatest" and etc.)

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Von Bontee said
To me, the fact that John had zero conscious input into the process means FAAB/RL are not Beatles recordings. But I sometimes wonder whether "I Me Mine" can be considered a real Beatles track too. It, also, was recorded when the Beatles didn't exist, by three ex-Beatles.

I guess in one limited sense, all those tracks as well as "In Spite of the Danger" can be called Beatles tracks since they all appear on Beatles albums...  

'I Me Mine' had John's blessing for its release as he was alive and agreed. He was dead so couldn't for 'FAAB', RL' and the 'Anthology' project, it's quite a big difference Yoko getting his vote.

The Anthology is the Beatles but not the Beatles as one Beatle was dead. It's the best we could ever hope so. Accept, bow, give thanks and move away referentially.

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vonbontee said
...so, to more literally address the thread title question, I'd call the new Anthology tracks (and possibly IMM) "reunions of Beatle members". (And I suppose I'd have to say the same of "How Do You Sleep" and "I'm The Greatest" and etc.)  

The anthology songs are in a slightly different category, as they aren’t released under the name “The Beatles”

I personally believe that there was never a Beatles reunion. 

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sir walter raleigh said

The anthology songs are in a slightly different category, as they aren’t released under the name “The Beatles”

I personally believe that there was never a Beatles reunion.   

What name were they released under? My copy says "The Beatles"

 

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To me, the fact that John had zero conscious input into the process means FAAB/RL are not Beatles recordings. But I sometimes wonder whether "I Me Mine" can be considered a real Beatles track too. It, also, was recorded when the Beatles didn't exist, by three ex-Beatles.

I guess in one limited sense, all those tracks as well as "In Spite of the Danger" can be called Beatles tracks since they all appear on Beatles albums...  

The Beatles did exist in January 1970. John announced his leaving in late 1969 but he was persuaded to keep quiet and the band went on. Paul had to go to court to break-up the Beatles in 1971 and they signed the paperwork in 1974, John being the last to do so in Disney World

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I also reject the idea of the new Anthology recordings being a Beatles reunion, @sir walter raleigh, but do it on the basis of John being dead.

Here is the cover to the Free As A Bird single:

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Credited to The Beatles.

Here is the cover to the Real Love single:

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Credited to The Beatles.

The only songs on Anthology not credited to The Beatles are those credited to The Quarrymen.

What do you base your suggestion that the "reunion" songs were not released as Beatles songs on?

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That was a mis-phrasing on my part. I meant to argue against @vonbontee’s claim that the Anthlogy is a “reunion of members” like How Do You Sleep, I Am The Greatest, Six O’Clock, etc. because it is released under the name “The Beatles”

I also still claim that the anthology is not a reunion. 

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Sure, but both situations consist of regroupings of guys who'd been in the Beatles...either on a solo project of one of them; or on a posthumous partially-*official* resuscitation.

And thanks to mmm for his nuanced reasoning and timeline...I no longer have doubts about IMM's authentic Beatles -track status. (And now I have another new microcategory to fit the POB albums and other 1970 "solo" collaborations into)

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But people consider the Guns N Roses Not In This Lifetime tour to be a reunion even though it's only 3/5 of the classic lineup, so surely even 3 of the members recording together under the Beatles name would be a reunion by default, even if they weren't using John's tapes. It's a very bizarre case, and completely different from your standard reunion like Zeppelin, Floyd etc.

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All of those situations involve reunions of (some) former members of a band...that's one thing they have in common.

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It's a reunion of sorts but I think the main focus for Anthology was to have The Beatles themselves tell the story with the three living members at the time and with archival footage and audio of John. Yes they did record a couple of new songs but it never felt like a full reunion. It was a couple of new songs for the CD's and interviews for the Anthology project which was mostly done individually. 

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Huh, I never thought about Anthology: the video/book project (which I've never seen or read, though I would like to) at all in context of this thread - just the albums and the effort of creating those new tracks. That makes my remarks less relevant, I 'magine.

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QuarryMan said
But people consider the Guns N Roses Not In This Lifetime tour to be a reunion even though it's only 3/5 of the classic lineup, so surely...

Yeah, but the GNR isn't a real reunion anyway because Guns N' Roses never really broke up. 

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Von Bontee said
To me, the fact that John had zero conscious input into the process means FAAB/RL are not Beatles recordings. But I 

Did Yesterday have any input from John? The list goes on.

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Leppo said

Von Bontee said
To me, the fact that John had zero conscious input into the process means FAAB/RL are not Beatles recordings.

Did Yesterday have any input from John? The list goes on.  

Yes. This is the same old argument. John's input to Yesterday - and any other Beatles recording he does not appear on - regardless of whether he made a single suggestion along the way or not, was ultimately to agree that, despite not featuring any Beatle instrumentally, he was happy to approve its release as a Beatles recording. However you want to spin it, his approval of it being a Beatles recording was something John was incapable granting either FaaB or RL.

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