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White Album 50th Anniversary Edition
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I'm eager for this release. I like what this team did with the 2017 Sgt. Pepper , and I'm pleased that they approached the White Album completely differently, not making it sound "too good or too hi fi, as that would be against the spirit of the White Album ."
I think most Beatles fans will agree with that.

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk38/rickdelsie/The%20Beatles/parlunread_zps28270d9d.gif BEATLES Music gives me Eargasms!  apple01

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Here's my position on this remix and any other one by Giles Martin:

The original stereo mixes of the Beatles catalogue were inadequate, and hastly made, since stereo was not priority in the sixties. This admitted by George Martin and the Beatles themselves.

As it turned out, stereo is the main audio format now, and it's been for quite some time.

Stereo mixing is a practice that has been perfecting since the late sixties. So, no matter how good a producer George Martin was, he and his team just didn't have the expertise to produce a good stereo mix back then.

It's unacceptable the Beatles, the biggest popular music act in history, should still be listened to in imperfect stereo mixes.

For those who still want to hear the original stereo mixes, there's always the 2009 remasters, which faithfully preserve these and the original mono mixes for posterity. A well done job, so we can all listen to this music as was originally released. The latter mainly being a concern of the people who were there the first time around.

The new stereo mixes are done with respect for the music, and use the original mixes as reference. Are meant to perfect the stereo image, and to 'clear' each sound. No instruments nor voices are added, it's only the original sounds.

We should all stop comparing this mixes with the originals, because it's obvious they will be different to some extent. The new ones are by definition better than the old ones, if only because the latter were deemed secundary at their time (thus cannot be regarded as 'the Beatles' intention).

For those who stick to the old stereo mixes, here is an exercise: imagine the Giles Martin mixes as if they were the original George Martin mixes we've all been listening to for 50 years. And now comes Giles with the new remixes wich sound exactly as the original ones. Will this new remix be perceived as an improvement or as a downgrade? Think about it. 

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https://www.udiscovermusic.com.....o-happy/ a-hard-days-night-ringo-15paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif  

Excellent!! Thank you

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I agree with @J Alesait, though I do think it is and always will be ok to compare them.  We, as fans, are so unbelievably lucky to have this kind of attention given to the music we love.  In addition, we really couldn't ask for a better team to do it.

As far as the multi-channel mixes, I suppose that's a bit of a blurrier line, but I have to assume Paul and Ringo have given their approval.  I'm really looking forward to hearing Revolution 9 in 5.1, and I'm not one who especially loves nor hates Rev 9.  I just know it will have to be a totally different aural experience and I expect it to be breathtaking!

For a 50th Anniversary Abbey Road remix - I said it earlier, but I want to be clear.  I know they will give us something new, as far as a 2019 Stereo Remix goes, but I happen to think that it won't (possibly can't) be much of an improvement over the original.  It will be a long year waiting to be proven wrong ha 🙂  I will certainly be buying it to officially have the multi-channel mixes, no matter what else is included (all gravy for me at that point!).

For a 50th Anniversary Let It Be - I found a YT video last night that quoted Paul as saying a "new" or "updated" version of the Let It Be film would happen in a year or two, made from the 56 hours of footage left over.  If so, it certainly sounds like something that could be included in a 50th Anniversary Super Deluxe Edition.  I admit that Let It Be is one of my least loved Beatles albums, but I would definitely buy a deluxe box set to have that movie.  I've never seen it and have always wanted to.  I would hope that if it does get remade, we get BOTH the **original film as released** along with whatever updated version gets made.

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Variety  report on last Friday's press preview at Capitol Records' Studio A in Hollywood attended by Giles Martin.

This bit may interest one or two:

Martin pointed out that certain coveted outtakes, such as a rampaging 30-minute rendering of “Helter Skelter ,” were left in the vault to allow more tracks to be included in the package. 

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Ron Nasty said

Martin pointed out that certain coveted outtakes, such as a rampaging 30-minute rendering of “Helter Skelter ,” were left in the vault to allow more tracks to be included in the package. 

  

and this would be the predictable politically correct response...  remove the Holy Grail of all unreleased Beatles' recordings to make room for several "more tracks" that have all ready been officially released...  it's being withheld because someone within the group doesn't want it out there...  it's obviously not the dream jam that everyone is craving for...  it must be pretty sloppy if an extended 'Los Paranois' gets the nod instead...:-) 

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Just found this Forbes report on the Hollywood press preview.

An interesting direct quote from Giles in this one:

We found this huge Pandora's Box of material that they had recorded. We went through and came up with some really interesting things. The conversation between the label, Beatles and everyone was "How many tracks do you want to put on this?" and I said, "How many CDs do you want to make?" The voice at the back of my head (apart from "What right do you have to do this?") was "We don't want to be scraping the bottom of the barrel" but in the Beatles' case, the quality is always there.

As you may be aware, I've already said it needed at least another CD, and if they'd been brave they could have done the two audio Blu-Rays Yoko has done with Imagine , using the Blu-Ray to add more outtakes.

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Getting excited now. November 9, november 9, november 9...

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it's gonna be interesting to listen to what they did with "Long, Long, Long " . Maybe we can get a decent mix (in terms of balance and levels) once and for all, because it deserves to be improved and show all the beauty in it.

As for including the Easher demos... i'm not really that interested in listening to them. I did it once, i don't need no enhanced version of them... i just couldn't care less about listening to those demos again when they are available elsewhere for free (in a shitty quality, yup...but anyways...)...especially if they are leaving out a lot of takes that could show us their creative process in better ways.

But i'm gonna dig it from beginning to end whenever i get the opportunity to listen to it , for sure.

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Shamrock Womlbs said
it's gonna be interesting to listen to what they did with "Long, Long, Long " . Maybe we can get a decent mix (in terms of balance and levels) once and for all, because it deserves to be improved and show all the beauty in it.

Perhaps we'll be able to work out the brand of wine vibrating on the speaker.

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4 October 2018
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I'd like to hear a fuller, more listenable mix of Long, Long, Long also.  But jeez I really hate the ugly vibrating wine bottle noise at the end.  It just about ruins the whole atmosphere of the song, for me.  It's one of the few Beatles musical mis-steps imo.

As to the Esher demos, I for one am really looking forward to hearing them.  I haven't delved into the world of Beatles bootlegs, and have no real interest in doing so, so they will all be new to me (except for the Anthology tracks of course).

The new Imagine box set comes out tomorrow, but I'm finding it hard to muster a lot of excitement because the White Album is occupying all my thoughts.  I'm sure that will change once I have the Imagine set in my hands!  Damn, what a fantastic time to be a fan.

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glazball said
I'd like to hear a fuller, more listenable mix of Long, Long, Long also.  But jeez I really hate the ugly vibrating wine bottle noise at the end.  It just about ruins the whole atmosphere of the song, for me.  It's one of the few Beatles musical mis-steps imo.

As to the Esher demos, I for one am really looking forward to hearing them.  I haven't delved into the world of Beatles bootlegs, and have no real interest in doing so, so they will all be new to me (except for the Anthology tracks of course).

The new Imagine box set comes out tomorrow, but I'm finding it hard to muster a lot of excitement because the White Album is occupying all my thoughts.  I'm sure that will change once I have the Imagine set in my hands!  Damn, what a fantastic time to be a fan.  

I've never explored the Beatles' bootlegs either, simply due to the vast amount that seems to be available.

Beatles musical-missteps seems to be a good idea for a thread in my opinion. Personally, I've never enjoyed the fuzz bass on Think For Yourself .

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I wonder how Revolution 9 was mixed. I think this track ironically is the one that should sound pretty much the same as before. That's because the original stereo panning IS part of the composition, due to its random nature, thus it shouldn't be modified now. Moreover, the tape loops should still fade in and out at the exact same times as before, otherwise the whole thing would sound different...

Have the original tape loops been kept safe all these years? Or was it necessary for Giles to find the source recordings (e.g. the piano bit, the orchestra bit, etc.)?

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QuarryMan said
Getting excited now. November 9, november 9, november 9...  

Don’t ask a German shopkeeper if the CD has arrived yet, they’ll say NEIN.

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meanmistermustard said

Tracks already on Anthology 3

 

Esher Demos

Glass Onion  

Happiness Is A Warm Gun

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Polythene Pam

Piggies

Junk

Honey Pie (Edited)

 

Outtakes

Rocky Raccoon (Take 8)

Helter Skelter (Take 2 - Edited)

Not Guilty (Take 102 - Edited)

Step Inside Love/Los Paranoias (the latter edited)

 

It appears the edited tracks will now be complete, however, 'Not Guilty ' and 'SIL'/'LP' are already available on bootlegs in their unedited states ('Not Guilty ' on 'Anthology 3 ' is one the worst edits and remixes ever suffered by a song).

Yeah, it's annoying that they're repeating that much material from Anthology 3 when the 50th anniversary set of Sgt. Pepper  didn't repeat much of anything from Anthology 2 . I'm still not sure why all these edited tracks were pared down from their original running time in the first place -- well, OK, George Martin did in fact say that he thought people would get bored with all 15 minutes of "Helter Skelter "'s second take (to which I say, let us be the judges of that, George  a-hard-days-night-paul-11). But why the others?

 

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I think both Helter Skelter (take 3) and Carnival Of Light should be included on a separate release, along with some 1967 studio jams in a collection of the Beatles at their most 'experimental' side...

Lest we forget, the full-length versions of "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)," "Dig It ," "Christmas Time (Is Here Again)," "Flying ," "It's All Too Much ," and "12-Bar Original" all also remain officially unreleased. I say those should be included on that hypothetical release as well.

 

While we're on it, why didn't we also get 50th anniversary editions of either Rubber Soul or Revolver ?  paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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@J Alesait said

...it's annoying that they're repeating that much material from Anthology 3 when the 50th anniversary set of Sgt. Pepper didn't repeat much of anything from Anthology 2 .

I was having this conversation with William Shears Campbell via email a couple of weeks ago who expressed similar sentiments.

First thing to point out is that, with Pepper they made a lot of composites on Anthology 2  while with the 50th it was pretty much straight outtakes, leaving little room for repetition.

The majority of tracks that appeared on that will also feature on the 50th are the 7 Esher demos. I, for one, would be annoyed if those 7 were absent from the Esher Demos disc that comes with the 50th, and I don't think I'd be alone. I'm very happy to see all the Esher demos together in one place. Especially since Giles has said he found a better set of the recordings, and from the two so far made public (Back In The USSR  and While My Guitar Gently Weeps ) they are a considerable upgrade on what's circulating, including those that appeared officially on 3. However, timings do seem to indicate that there are more differences between those on and those coming on the 50th, not just an unedited Honey Pie . The most interesting difference is that Happiness Is A Warm Gun  is 20 seconds longer on than it will be on the 50th.

Which leaves only the 4 studio outtakes, and all of those appear to be different to their earlier appearances.

I'd, therefore, suggest there is less straight overlap than is feared, as all the studio outtakes are longer than their previous appearances.

For those interested, here is @meanmistermustard's list with added timings, Anthology 3  first then the 50th:

Glass Onion [Esher] 1:51/1:55

Happiness Is A Warm Gun [Esher] 2:15/1:55

Mean Mr. Mustard [Esher] 1:58/2:05

Polythene Pam [Esher] 1:26/1:26

Piggies [Esher] 2:01/2:05

Junk [Esher] 2:25/2:36

Honey Pie [Esher] 1:19/1:59

Rocky Raccoon [take 8] 4:13/4:57

Helter Skelter [take 2] 4:38/12:53

Not Guilty [take 102] 3:22/4:28

Step Inside Love/Los Paranois 2:31/1:34 + 3:58

 

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From what I've read elsewhere it appears that 'Rocky Raccoon ' on 'A3' was cut down (god knows why) and there is more to 'Step Inside Love'/'Los Paranoias' than the bootlegs (yippee!!). It's also not the same 'Sour Milk Sea' demo that is on the bootlegs. 

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Ron Nasty said

The majority of tracks that appeared on that will also feature on the 50th are the 7 Esher demos. I, for one, would be annoyed if those 7 were absent from the Esher Demos disc that comes with the 50th, and I don't think I'd be alone. I'm very happy to see all the Esher demos together in one place. Especially since Giles has said he found a better set of the recordings, and from the two so far made public (Back In The USSR  and While My Guitar Gently Weeps ) they are a considerable upgrade on what's circulating, including those that appeared officially on 3.

These demos, while having them "all in one place" is convenient enough in addition to the new source tape, weren't in my opinion anymore of an "upgrade" over what was all ready widely available on Beatlegs…  in fact, one could argue that they were a noticeable downgrade to what was all ready in circulation...  the studio polish smoothed over many a rough edge that gave this collection a certain charm, not to mention the obvious unnecessary edits...  all ready paid for these 7 sub-par recordings...  I will confess that my country was blocked to viewing the 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps ' videos that you linked so I've yet to indulge in any of the latest release...

The Esher Demos were recorded on magnetic tape and any further processing digitally further erodes the medium in which it was originally designed to be "processed", in my opinion...  Having said all this I'd say that the November release will, what was it that they'd said a week or so before it went out in '68?

If there is still any doubt that Lennon and McCartney are the greatest song writers since Schubert, then next Friday---with the publication of the new Beatles double LP---should surely see the last vestiges of cultural snobbery and bourgeois prejudice swept away in a deluge of joyful music making, which only the ignorant will not hear and only the deaf will not acknowledge    

I predict that November 9th, 2018 will vindicate this notion...:-)

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