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When I'm Sixty-Four
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30 July 2015
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JPM-Fangirl said

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There's a book called.."Exploring Wagner's Ring'

 

 

But on topic......What age was Paul learning trumpet......?

At what age did Paul write 64?

I'm sure you know, but he got the trumpet for his 14th birthday and wrote When I'm 64 when he was 16. But I seriously doubt he was familiar with Wagner back then. 

 

Given the fact that there are only 12 notes in an octave, and less in a key, it's not so surprising certain combinations of notes recur. I could play some random notes on my guitar, and those notes will no doubt be present in more than one existing song. That doesn't make it plagiarism.

Yes true......

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Wait , did BBC ban "When I'm Sixty-Four " for the line "Doing the garden, digging the weeds. Who could ask for more?"? Because , I remember reading somewhere (probably Wikipedia) that they banned it for that line, which doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

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Wait , did BBC ban "When I'm Sixty-Four " for the line "Doing the garden, digging the weeds. Who could ask for more?"? Because , I remember reading somewhere (probably Wikipedia) that they banned it for that line, which doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

I'm no expert, but the Telegraph lists 4 Beatles songs banned by the BBC.

The Beatles, Come Together (1970)
The Beatles fell foul of the BBC regularly, and other Beatles songs banned by the BBC include A Day In The Life , I Am The Walrus and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (all 1967).

Maybe one of our walking Beatles encyclopedias can give us more insight.

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Wait , did BBC ban "When I'm Sixty-Four " for the line "Doing the garden, digging the weeds. Who could ask for more?"? Because , I remember reading somewhere (probably Wikipedia) that they banned it for that line, which doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

I'm no expert, but the Telegraph lists 4 Beatles songs banned by the BBC.

The Beatles, Come Together (1970)
The Beatles fell foul of the BBC regularly, and other Beatles songs banned by the BBC include A Day In The Life , I Am The Walrus and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (all 1967).

Maybe one of our walking Beatles encyclopedias can give us more insight.

Thank you for the help! Here, have an apple ---- apple01

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'WI64' wasnt banned by the BBC. Kenny Everett played 'WI64' on the BBC radio show 'Where It's At' just before Pepper was released along with most of the other tracks off the LP; interestingly one of the other songs heard was 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds ' so it was aired before the BBC decided to ban it - 'A Day In The Life ' was not played.

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Thanks, mmm, for the extra information.

@natureaker, thanks for the apple. It so happens that I am on my lunch break munching on one.

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Of the four songs listed, only two were officially banned by the BBC.

Those were A Day In The Life  (for drug references) and Come Together  (because of the mention of "Coca-Cola"; the BBC did not allow product placement. The Kinks ran into the same problem with Lola, and so produced an alternate version for the BBC where "Coca-Cola" was replaced with "cherry cola").

While neither Lucy in the Sky or I Am The Walrus  were officially banned, neither went onto the BBC's main playlist, and it was left to individual DJs to decide, but the majority of DJs followed the main playlist, with Kenny Everett and John Peel being the main two that ignored the main playlist and played what they wanted to.

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I remember reading that before.a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

Interestingly according to this BBC article they banned it.

When Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds was released in 1967 it was banned by the BBC for its supposed drug references.

Will have to get someone on their case.

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I think it's one of those cases where the myth has overtaken the truth. It's so widely believed that it was banned, rather than not playlisted, that nobody bothers to check, including BBC journalists.

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Leading on from the not playlisted instead of not banned, where many songs from albums playlisted back in the day that weren't singles or the stand-out tracks. 'The commercial versions of 'All My Loving ' and 'I Should Have Known Better ' were played during BBC shows that the Beatles performed on so it did happen - actually those where the lead off tracks from Beatles EP's so maybe not. Nowadays its generally singles that are played unless its a special section of the show.

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I believe, just because of their stature at the time, it was unusual for any Beatles song not to be playlisted. This was obviously different before the creation of Radio 1 in 1967, because before then it was all about needletime with which the Musicians Union restricted the amount of records that could be played in favour of BBC performances (a large part of the reason we got so many Beatles BBC sessions, especially in 1963 when they were breaking through, and were earning their stripes to be playlisted).

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Going way off track now but if needle time was so important (and Lewisohn goes into in 'Tune In' explaining it all) and not to be wasted why play Beatles records when they are on the show and could have recorded them as they did with 'AML' and 'ISHKB' - tho both of these were aired before taped for the BBC?

This thead needs to get on topic.

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On which show, @meanmistermustard?

Maybe, with the reluctance to move things around too much now because of the effect on the Google listing, we're going to need to get used to off-topic conversations within a thread that aren't intentional derails.

Maybe call them sidebars rather than off-topic?

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Only came to really appreciate this song in the last few weeks. Always thought it was a bit soft but musically it's pretty awesome. 

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The commercial version of 'All My Loving ' was played on 'Saturday Club' on the 21st December 1963, the show was recorded on the 17th December with the Beatles recording a handful of tracks for it. On the 18th the Beatles recorded 'All My Loving ' for the first edition of 'From Us To You' broadcast on the 26th December.

The first edition of 'Top Gear' was recorded on the 14th July 1964 for broadcast 2 days later and the Beatles again recorded a good handful of tracks but the record of 'I Should Have Known Better ' was aired, Brian Matthew even made heavy note to it. On the 17th July for 'From Us To You #3' the Beatles were back in the BBC studios and amongst the tracks they performed was 'I Should Have Known Better '.

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when he says  "If you say the word, I could stay with you" could be a reference to the song The word?... 

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I wish this song was not on Pepper.  Although I don't mind this song, I feel like I would enjoy it much more if it were on a different album.  

In my opinion, it's the one song on pepper that just doesn't quite go with the flow. 

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I know what you mean.....

But if it fits anywhere other than on a B side.....It sort of does fit Pepper's Victorian/circus/acid/Indian/morning commercial/.......one album fit's all theme.

So that leaves me to wonder are we better off with it, or without it....  in the world.

I recall hearing it for the first time and liking it..and wondering where I'll be in 49 years time.....If I last another I'll know. 

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*Bump* Going back to the earlier conversation in this thread about the possibility of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries possibly influencing this, there is another contender that wasn't mentioned during that exchange.

We all know that Paul's dad had a big band (e-i-e-i-o), and in that band he had a...

No, no. Sorry! My mind wandered for a moment. Humble apologies.

We know that through this Paul had a great knowledge of, and affection for, the Big Band and Jazz of the '20s and '30s. Jazz Me Blues, dating back to at least 1921, and recorded by multiple artists, including the great Bix Beiderdecke, seems a tune of the era Jim might well have been familiar with, and might well have made Paul aware of.

Here is the earliest version I can find, so somewhat scratchy, is the 1921 recording by the Original Dixieland Jazz Band...

Now, there are bits of that...

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Yes I agree i can hear part's of WI64 in that.

 

I just also saw this on wiki "Hunter Davies who was at Jim's house at the time doing an interview for his Beatles' biography, remembered Jim listening to an acetate disc of "When I'm Sixty-Four ". Davies wrote that Paul recorded the song specifically for his father, as Jim was then 64 years old and had married Angela two years previously."

Pivotal Moments in Beatles History No.118:  Yoko helps herself to one of George's digestives. 

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