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Was Ticket to Ride really the first metal song?
20 June 2012
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I thought that Helter Skelter was the first time heavy metal was spoken of, does that make it the first one? I don´t know. I can´t remember where I heard/read that either so I can´t be sure.

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20 June 2012
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I'm in the minority of Beatles fans that believes Helter Skelter wasn't the first metal song. It's just noisy, abrasive rock and roll, it's not got any of the "technical" side which characterises most metal. It's more proto-proto-punk in it's execution and style. In the same way Blue Cheer, mentioned by Old Siam Sir, are more just psychedelic blues rock to my ears. They were just heavier than anyone before.

As for Ticket To Ride being the first metal song, that's just rubbish that John cooked up in an interview when he was in a pro-Beatles mood if you ask me.

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I think quite often Lennon would say things without really thinking them through, or caring how they'd be interpreted. Once they were in print they'd be taken as his firm beliefs (I'm guilty of this sometimes), when they were just off-the-cuff comments. I think the TTR/metal thing was one of those.

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I've said this before, but I don't think John literally said "heavy metal" - I believe that the quote from the Wenner interview regarding TTR was something like "That's a fuckin' heavy song for that time" or such. He didn't use the word "metal", and I suspect he may have meant "heavy" as in deep or meaningful. Aside from that, I have no idea how he could've heard metal in "Ticket To Ride "'s tricky beats and chiming 12-string guitars! But if there's another source besides that Wenner interview (like say the David Sheff interview, maybe) wherein John actually uses the phrase "heavy metal" in describing the song, I'll happily revise my opinion.

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That's me, one of the earliest heavy-metal records. Paul's contribution was the way Ringo played the drums.

It was in the David Sheff interview for Playboy, 1980. https://www.beatlesbible.com/s.....t-to-ride/

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This seemed to be the most appropriate thread - saw this article posted at Paul's board, on Paul as the "founder" of heavy metal with "Helter Skelter ."

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No, Ticket To Ride was not the first heavy metal song. Neither was Helter Skelter . The Beatles have never made a song that can accurately be called heavy metal. Hard rock, maybe, but even so, they weren't the first. Link Wray's "Rumble" was the first hard rock song. 

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17 October 2014
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Joe said

That's me, one of the earliest heavy-metal records. Paul's contribution was the way Ringo played the drums.

It was in the David Sheff interview for Playboy, 1980. https://www.beatlesbible.com/s.....t-to-ride/

 

Ticket To Ride was slightly a new sound at the time. It was pretty fucking heavy for then, if you go and look in the charts for what other music people were making. You hear it now and it doesn't sound too bad; but it'd make mecringe. If you give me the A track and I remix it, I'll show you what it is really, but you can hear it there. It's a heavy record and the drums are heavy too. That's why I like it.

 

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For some reason it's not letting me write underneath this quote ^^ so I will finish what I was saying here...

This is the quote I was reading yesterday in a Rolling Stone dedicated to John.  Thanks Joe.  a-hard-days-night-john-1

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The first major metal singer was none other than Cookie Monster. Why else would so many metal singers copy his voice?

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18 October 2014
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Thanks for that Beatalica reference I'll look into them ……….I wanna choke your band?? Ha ha.

 

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There ARE several Beatles songs with fuzzy buzzy guitar parts and big blunt beats that would contribute to what would eventually become known as heavy metal - "Revolution ", "She's So Heavy", "Sgt. Pepper 's LHCB". I still don't think there's any way you can pinpoint "Helter Skelter " as the first one, though. It may well be the earliest proto-metal track to appear on a multimillion-selling album that was #1 for several weeks, for what that's worth.

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