Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
20 August 2015
12.34pm
Avatar
georgiewood
In my tree
Hollywood Bowl
Members
Forum Posts: 792
Member Since:
22 September 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

If this has been posted elsewhere, I half apologize (it’s so good that it deserves to be posted more than once).  The End deconstructed!:

The following people thank georgiewood for this post:

natureaker, Bongo, Zig, Beatlebug, Ahhh Girl, Wigwam, Necko, I was the walrus, WeepingAtlasCedars

I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did'.
Kurt Vonnegut, Timequake, 1997

20 August 2015
4.04pm
Avatar
Beatlebug
Find me where ye echo lays
Moderator

Moderators
Forum Posts: 18191
Member Since:
15 February 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

 AWESOMENESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS beatlemaniacs_02_gif

I was just playing ‘The End ‘ when I saw this and 

*what I said above* 

Don’t know if I mentioned this before, but The End is my favourite song on Abbey Road (along with Something of course). It is simply the finest ending any band could have. 

The following people thank Beatlebug for this post:

georgiewood, natureaker, Wigwam, I was the walrus

([{BRACKETS!}])
New to Forumpool? You can introduce yourself here.
If you love The Beatles Bible, and you have adblock, don't forget to white-list this site!
whiteheart.png
avatar_creative_signature_Hmm.pngStarSpangledBanner.png

20 August 2015
7.30pm
Wigwam
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1913
Member Since:
18 October 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Hear hear……..Amen.

The following people thank Wigwam for this post:

Beatlebug
13 September 2015
12.46pm
Avatar
RingoStarrDrums
20 Years Ago Today
The Indra
Members
Forum Posts: 40
Member Since:
26 August 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Why Is  “Your Majesty” The Last Song On Abbey Road , Not “The End “? It’s Been Driving Me CRAZY!!!paul-mccartneyblue-meanie

"The Only Lyrics That Made Me Cry Were "I Don't Believe In Beatles, The Dream Is Over - RingoStarrDrums

13 September 2015
1.23pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@RingoStarrDrums Her Majesty  was originally intended to be a part of the Medley, sitting between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam . When they put together the first rough mix of the Medley, Paul listened back to it and decided it didn’t fit, so told the engineer to cut it out and throw it away.

EMI had given that nothing was ever to be “thrown away”, and so as soon as Paul left, the engineer picked it up off the floor, added about 20 seconds of leader (blank) tape to the end of the Medley, and then stuck Her Majesty  onto the tape, to ensure it was preserved.

The next day Paul had an acetate of the rough mix of the Medley cut so he could listen at leisure. The record cutter who made the acetate did an exact copy of the rough mix tape that he’d been given, including the silence and Her Majesty , assuming that was what was wanted.

When Paul listened to it later, not expecting to hear Her Majesty , he was pleasantly surprised to find it there, at the end. It amused him. He liked it. And so that was where it ended up. What you hear is exactly what was chopped out of that first rough mix of the Medley. The crashing guitar chord at the beginning is the end of Mean Mr. Mustard, the clipped ending is because part of the last note remained in the rough mix of the Medley because they were not looking to be precise, it was only a rough mix.

So, we end up with Her Majesty  becoming one of the first (if not the first) hidden tracks on an album (while it is on the tracklisting now, it wasn’t at the time, no mention of it at all on the record sleeve, making it as big a surprise for listeners then as it was for Paul when he first heard it there).

The Beatles liked to capitalise on accidents, and this was one such incident.

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Ahhh Girl, Zig, WeepingAtlasCedars, Beatlebug

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

2 December 2016
6.09pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 24980
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I presume

“And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.”

is referred to by George in ‘I Dig Love

Make love, take love, but you should give love
And try to live love, come on that’s where you should be

[This may have been posted elsewhere previously.]

 

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Beatlebug, Richard

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

26 September 2021
11.21am
Toxic34
West Palm Beach, FL
London Palladium
Members
Forum Posts: 142
Member Since:
25 August 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I read somewhere that Ringo based the drum solo partially on the one in “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.” Is that true at all?

26 September 2021
12.21pm
Avatar
vonbontee
Inside Von Bontee's mind
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 5485
Member Since:
1 December 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Toxic34 said
I read somewhere that Ringo based the drum solo partially on the one in “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.” Is that true at all?

  

According to Butterfly drummer Ron Bushy, it is

Screenshot_20210926-124656_Samsung-Internet.jpgImage Enlarger

It is a bit long, but I’ve always found Bushy’s “…Vida” solo pretty innovative in its employment – it functions not as a show-off moment for one instrumentalist (Bushy’s playing is quite basic, and never abandons the tempo), but as its own full movement in an extended, unified musical performance.

As for Ringo, he maintains the pulse as well, but his bit is mostly about building tension before those guitars and “Loooove you…”-s take over. 

(Also, I’m just now pondering if maybe Ringo also had Mitch Mitchell (of Jimi’s  Experience) in mind? “I Don’t Live Today” begins similarly, especially live when Mitch would extend the intro by a minute or so…)

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

         offtopic-1.png

https://rateyourmusic.com/~Myo.....Von_Bontee

27 September 2021
1.39am
Avatar
Timothy
Nutopia
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 2168
Member Since:
14 June 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

A Day In The Life is the greatest conclusion to any album ever. But because the Beatles had already made that track previously, something new was needed. And The End does the job really well. It’s rocking and poignant, which makes the era feel complete perhaps in a way that A Day In The Life couldn’t. I had the guitar solo section as my ringtone for the longest time. It’s one of my favourite Beatles moments.

1.The Beatles 2.Sgt. Pepper 3.Abbey Road 4.Magical Mystery Tour 5.Rubber Soul 6.Revolver 7.Help! 8.Let It Be
9.A Hard Day’s Night 10.Please Please Me 11.Beatles For Sale 12.With The Beatles 13.Yellow Submarine

Most Avid John Fan 2020 and 2021: john.png john.png

19 March 2022
5.45am
Avatar
meaigs
Hollywood Bowl
Members
Forum Posts: 717
Member Since:
23 January 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

This is a great breakdown of the guitar parts in The End . After watching it I was able to discern the different guitars, which I never could before.

(the original video from this thread seems to be gone unfortunately, blocked by Apple)

The following people thank meaigs for this post:

Rube, Richard, Von Bontee, Mr. Moonlight

My hot take is that after the Beatles split they went down the paths of spiritualism, solipsism, alcoholism, and Paul McCartney

                                                                                                             -- Jason Carty, Nothing is Real podcast

14 March 2024
4.15am
Avatar
LucyInTheSkyWithHackneyDiamonds
London Palladium
Members
Forum Posts: 150
Member Since:
21 February 2024
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Do you think you could compare The End as a finale to the band to the Seinfeld Finale?

Both were sources of great historical and cultural ends-of-eras. Both left off with satisfying final dialogue and substance. Both are etched into historical rankings as “#1” “Greatest Endings”.

I should think it could be.

The following people thank LucyInTheSkyWithHackneyDiamonds for this post:

Sea Belt, Rube
15 March 2024
3.46am
Avatar
Sea Belt
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1036
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

That sounds like a good comparison; but one nagging detail remains — the fact that they chose to make Abbey Road second to last. That’s kind of a buzzkill for a final “End”.

The following people thank Sea Belt for this post:

Rube

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

21 March 2024
11.31pm
Illgetyou
The Indra
Members
Forum Posts: 43
Member Since:
6 August 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Sea Belt said
“one nagging detail remains — the fact that they chose to make Abbey Road second to last. That’s kind of a buzzkill for a final “End”.

  

Eeeeeh, except “they” didn’t chose anything – “they”, meaning in my case The Beatles, recorded “Abbey Road ” AFTER the “Let it be” sessions.

So it WAS their last album indeed and “The end”.

None of them really cared anymore about the “Get back” tapes, so John gave them to Phil Spector and he turned all their intentions for the original project – no overdubs etc. – into the opposite.

So at least for Paul this wasn’t even “his” album anymore.

Abbey Road was their final masterpiece – and you even missed the fact that “The end” is NOT the lush final song no band deserved more than The Beatles – instead there comes “Her Majesty “, a little acoustic joke song!

Which is only prove that Paul and The Beatles never took themselves as seriously as many of their fans and most of the press.

22 March 2024
2.12am
Avatar
Sea Belt
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1036
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I doublt The Beatles had no say in which of those two albums would be last. 

To me, Her Majesty doesn’t detract from the symphonic “End” that climaxes that whole side.

The following people thank Sea Belt for this post:

Rube

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

22 March 2024
10.45am
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 24980
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

They weren’t thinking ‘Abbey Road ‘ would be the last as although they knew the break-up was coming the thought was they would eventually record together again as a band. The break-up caused a hell of a lot of damage between John and Paul which took time to heal and George and Paul had issues to resolve but they would have eventually. John’s murder ultimately destroyed any lingering chance.

And the Beatles never really planned anything, they just did.

As for the jumbled nature of ‘Abbey Road ‘ being the last recorded but not released or the ‘The End ‘ not being the last song, there are a number of jumbles in the Beatles history, but there are also really neat moments that assist eg ‘LMD’ reaching #1 in the USA meaning ‘1’ is a proper beginning to end.

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Ahhh Girl, Richard, LucyInTheSkyWithHackneyDiamonds, Rube

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

22 March 2024
8.07pm
Avatar
Sea Belt
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1036
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Yeah, but at some point when the Rubber Soul met the road they knew — and decided — which album would be last, and they made a colossal mistake not making it Abbey Road

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

23 March 2024
1.18am
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 24980
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

They always knew ‘Abbey Road ‘ would be out before ‘Let It Be ‘, right from when they first starting recording ‘AR’. The point is they didn’t think ‘Let It Be ‘ would be the final end. Only time and later events brought that to pass. They weren’t sitting in Apple Headquarters planning the bands conclusion; ‘LIB ‘ only took so long as the film was getting put together as they lost interest in the material. 

I think they all planned to one day return to band matters after ‘AR’, even George said they would record solo material as they had so much to get out and then get back together. They just needed some space. Klein, John quitting (tho he would have come round eventually) and Paul suing destroyed that.

And the four would have reunited in the 80’s or 90’s, life would have brought them back together, so there would have been another album after ‘Let It Be ‘. John being murdered obviously made that impossible.

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Ahhh Girl, Sea Belt, Mr. Moonlight, Rube

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

1 April 2024
10.11am
Avatar
Timothy
Nutopia
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 2168
Member Since:
14 June 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I wonder if it would’ve been a one off special reunion type thing or a proper full on comeback with albums? John himself could have eventually gone either way IMO. “It was a moment in time, we can’t repeat it, but I’ll play with those guys on stage one more time” or “if we’re getting back together we may as well do it for real, and we now have something to say.”

The following people thank Timothy for this post:

Mr. Moonlight, Rube

1.The Beatles 2.Sgt. Pepper 3.Abbey Road 4.Magical Mystery Tour 5.Rubber Soul 6.Revolver 7.Help! 8.Let It Be
9.A Hard Day’s Night 10.Please Please Me 11.Beatles For Sale 12.With The Beatles 13.Yellow Submarine

Most Avid John Fan 2020 and 2021: john.png john.png

7 May 2024
12.57am
Avatar
LucyInTheSkyWithHackneyDiamonds
London Palladium
Members
Forum Posts: 150
Member Since:
21 February 2024
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I love The End and Abbey Road … Listening to it today (May 6, 2024) because it is 20 years since the Friends finale “The Last One”. 

Abbey Road and The End is the extraordinary final episode of a popular series. It’s lead-ups Golden Slumbers and Carry That Weight are nostalgia trips before a final, final, expression of creativity.

This song is the Beatles’ version of Seinfeld’s The Finale, of Friends’ The Last One, of The Big Bang Theory’s Stockholm Syndrome, of Blackadder’s Goodbyeee, of Fawlty Towers’ Basil the Rat.

Much better than a shock cancellation like Andy Griffith Show or something…

The following people thank LucyInTheSkyWithHackneyDiamonds for this post:

Richard, Rube
7 May 2024
1.23am
Avatar
Richard
North of England
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 5384
Member Since:
6 May 2018
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

LucyInTheSkyWithHackneyDiamonds said
I love The End and Abbey Road … Listening to it today (May 6, 2024) because it is 20 years since the Friends finale “The Last One”.

Abbey Road and The End is the extraordinary final episode of a popular series. It’s lead-ups Golden Slumbers and Carry That Weight are nostalgia trips before a final, final, expression of creativity.

This song is the Beatles’ version of Seinfeld’s The Finale, of Friends’ The Last One, of The Big Bang Theory’s Stockholm Syndrome, of Blackadder’s Goodbyeee, of Fawlty Towers’ Basil the Rat.

Much better than a shock cancellation like Andy Griffith Show or something…

paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

Abbey Road is my favourite album and The End is my favourite song.

The following people thank Richard for this post:

Rube

And in the end

The love you take is equal to the love you make

 

uk-flag-v-small-3.png

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 700
Currently Online: Rube
Guest(s) 1
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9832
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8046
AppleScruffJunior: 7583
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6402
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2883
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5533
Posts: 381221
Newest Members:
kenbell289@outlook.com, rubbersouldier, Bullfrog, Besty, Jimeo
Moderators: Joe: 5695, meanmistermustard: 24980, Ahhh Girl: 22315, Beatlebug: 18191, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5695