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The Beatles & The Kinks - rare & unreleased?
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Sun_King
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10 April 2013 - 8.32pm

I downloaded a song recently which had this curious title, I think - if anything relevant- that it's a Beatles outtake (I'm a fan and have listened to loads of both their released & unreleased stuff), not the Kinks.

Is it allowed to post it here? Sorry if not- I'd like to link it if allowed?

I don't think that they ever collaborrated, no records even mention it? But I'm unsure which, if either, band it is??

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meanmistermustard

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10 April 2013 - 9.31pm

Whats the name of the song?

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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10 April 2013 - 10.09pm

A Well-Respected Sargent.

 

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Sun_King
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10 April 2013 - 10.52pm

The Beatles & The Kinks - rare & unreleased

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meanmistermustard

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10 April 2013 - 10.56pm

Never ever heard of any song by the Beatles called 'A Well Respected Sargeant' so unless its one of those weird incorrect titles a bootlegger has come up with or its from the never ending seemingly bottomless pit that is the Get Back sessions that i dont remember then it aint the Beatles.

A quick google search brings up a song called 'A Well Respected Man' which was recorded by the Kinks, is that the same song?

 

On a matter of interest Sun King are you the same person who asked this very same question on DM's Beatles Forum back on 9th July 2010, its almost an identical posts with only a few words missing? Same avatar as well.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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Sun_King
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10 April 2013 - 11.32pm

Yes that was me. I've been away from the Fabs forums. No big secret.

 

And I think the above poster was being ironic.

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Von Bontee
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11 April 2013 - 4.08pm

I'm not following this. Was it an album or a song you downloaded? If it's a song, what's the title? And you really can't tell which band it is??

In any case: no, there's no record of the two bands ever having collaborated.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
-- Paul McCartney

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Linde
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11 April 2013 - 11.02pm

The poster said he/she downloaded a song recently so I think he/she means a song!

And it could be just any random band putting the Beatles/the Kinks name on it just so people go listen to it. I mean how often does it happen that one goes on Youtube and sees a video called ''John Lennon rare outtake'' for example and it's just some random guy who's trying to make it big?

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vonbontee
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11 April 2013 - 11.21pm

So he downloaded a song titled "The Beatles & the Kinks - Rare & Unreleased"?

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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Ron Nasty
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12 April 2013 - 1.21am

Had a Google to see if I could find this song. No luck of course. Sun_King, you should just post it so we can judge. Anyway, slightly off topic, did find this amusing review of Revolver that Ray Davies did for Disc and Music Echo in 1966 (though site messes up and dates it as '67!). Interesting to see how one of their contemporaries responded to hearing it first time 'round (the review was published in the week before the album's release). Wonder what Ray would make of his comments now that he's had a little while to listen to it?

http://www.kindakinks.net/misc.....atles.html

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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12 April 2013 - 3.56am

Awesome find.

He totally nails the Taxman / Batman connection. (Had to have been one of the first!)

Interesting that his fave is "I'm Only Sleeping"

Reading reviews from back in the day is fascinating.

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meanmistermustard

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12 April 2013 - 9.34am

I wonder if Davies was one of the many who was looking at the Beatles to remain as they were when they first broke thru, there are a few times when he praises the songs that sound like the "old Beatles", take Good Day Sunshine

"Good Day Sunshine" - "This'll be a giant. It doesn't force itself on you, but it stands out like 'I'm Only Sleeping'. This is back to the real old Beatles. I just don't like the electronic stuff. The Beatles were supposed to be like the boy next door only better."

Is this just another sign that the Beatles were too ahead of the game with Revolver and the majority only caught up in Pepper?

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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12 April 2013 - 4.04pm

Revolver was an immediate hit. The public was more in tune with where the Beatles were going than Ray Davies.

Ironically, I don't see "Good Day Sunshine" as being the "old Beatles." In fact, I don't see ANYTHING on Revolver as sounding like the old Beatles.

Sometimes experts are too smart for their own good - just look at the crummy reviews given by the New York Times to Abbey Road.

 

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vonbontee
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12 April 2013 - 8.19pm

That's a neat read! Really interesting how he casually mentions (about "Love You To") that he was doing that sort of (Indian) thing "two years ago". I know he's referring specifically to the Kinks track "See My Friends", which is indeed pretty raga-ish, without having any actual Indian instrumentation. Ray was supposedly listening to Indian music back in his art-school days in the early '60s; he's said so in a couple of interviews over the years.

Another remark where he was right on: Saying that "Tomorrow Never Knows" would be popular in the discotheques. I'm sure he didn't know it'd STILL be popular (according to the Chemical Brothers) in dance clubs 30+ years in the future! (Or that they wouldn't be called "discotheques" by that point, of course.)

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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meanmistermustard

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12 April 2013 - 11.09pm

Personally i think if Apple were to remix Tomorrow Never Knows from the multi's and leak it to radio station it would do amazingly well as it remains very modern sounding with the effects, drums and Johns vocal. Turn it up loud and its still an incredible experience easily matching a lot of the modern sounds that it has inspired and influences.

It was said elsewhere that Revolver would be incredible remixed from the studio tapes and they were so right.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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Little Piggy Dragonguy
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15 April 2013 - 5.53am

meanmistermustard said
Personally i think if Apple were to remix Tomorrow Never Knows from the multi's and leak it to radio station it would do amazingly well as it remains very modern sounding with the effects, drums and Johns vocal. Turn it up loud and its still an incredible experience easily matching a lot of the modern sounds that it has inspired and influences.

It was said elsewhere that Revolver would be incredible remixed from the studio tapes and they were so right.

I don't hear Tomorrow Never Knows as sounding modern. Maybe it would do well on all the radio stations that play old music, but I don't think it would do much past that. 

 

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