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The Beatles' most "dated" songs
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minime said
a-hard-days-night-paul-6 I always though No Reply was freakish, too, I hope John didn't act on it. But knowing John, he probably did...*sigh*(Is there a thread concerning John's obscure songs? Because there are quite many)

 

I wonder if "I'll be on my way" could be considered dated? It's one of my favorites, actually, but it's very Buddy Hollyish, and well, is a song "dated" if it's very easy to figure out when it's written?

I think a song is "dated" if is not something that would gain an audience in the present time...which is not the case with too many of the Beatles songs, in my opinion...in fact, lots of recording artists are still choosing their 40-50 year old songs to record.

 

John often said he could only write songs that were personal or applied to his life, while Paul did the opposite and wrote in general terms and did more "story-telling" songs...I think probably all of the John songs have some truth in them...

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25 January 2015 - 4.14pm

To summarize this thread thus far, some people are taking "dated" to mean the "theme" of the song. For example, The Word and All You Need Is Love are 60's flower-power songs.

Some people are using "dated" to mean the "sound" of the song as in their old covers on the BBC or their psychadelic-sounding songs.

My personal favorite interpretation of the term "dated" in this thread is when specific words are used that put the song in it's specific time frame. I got this idea when playing the game where we try to guess The Beatles song that is related to a picture. I posted a picture of a fuse to represent When I'm Sixty-Four. http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo.....7/#p156658

In the '60s, Paul would sing about mending a fuse. Now, he would be writing a lyric about a breaker box.

Some of the things that have been mentioned in the thread so far that I heart:

song/term/person who first mentioned it

1. Back In The USSR - that entity doesn't exist now (@Von Bontee), BOAC (@Into the Sky with Diamonds)


BOAC is the acronym for British Overseas Airways Corporation. I wonder if they put out logo t-shirts?

2. Revolution - Chairman Mao (Till There Was You)

3. Polythene Pam - News of the World (Von Bontee)

4. Taxman - Mr Wilson and Mr Heath (Intto The Sky With Diamonds)

5. She's Leaving Home - meeting a man from the motor trade (minime) Note: I think this one counts, or is a difference in British and American lingo?

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25 January 2015 - 6.11pm

The drums on "She Said She Said" sounds very 60s to me. But I think that might be the production; if someone put out the song today, it would probably blend in well with most modern rock on the radio.

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25 January 2015 - 10.12pm

Ahhh Girl said
To summarize this thread thus far, some people are taking "dated" to mean the "theme" of the song. For example, The Word and All You Need Is Love are 60's flower-power songs.

Heaven help us if the sentiments in these two songs become dated. There is too much hate in the world these days.

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25 January 2015 - 10.16pm

"In the '60s, Paul would sing about mending a fuse. Now, he would be writing a lyric about a breaker box. "

No idea what a breaker box is, still have fuses here - well at least we know I am 'dated'.

And not, but that is for the other thread :)

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25 January 2015 - 10.19pm

@Ahhh Girl 1 and 2 are still relevant if you know your history! They still make sense in the context of the song. But the terms are dated I guess.

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25 January 2015 - 10.26pm

We still have, use and mend (well replace) fuses in the UK. 

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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25 January 2015 - 10.34pm

Like this, @Ahhh Girl?

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Or this?

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Or this?

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Or this?

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25 January 2015 - 10.37pm

It must be a regional thing, as I haven't heard someone use breaker box since I was a child in the Midwest. Here, people tend to use circuit breaker to refer to the entire box.

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25 January 2015 - 11.02pm

Mr. Kite said

@Ahhh Girl 1 and 2 are still relevant if you know your history! They still make sense in the context of the song. But the terms are dated I guess.

Yes, they are relevant to history because they were going on when the song was written.

Well, okay, didn't know fuses were still in use. I live in an old house (built in the 1940's), and we switched from fuses to circuit breakers years ago. I figured we were way behind the times.

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25 January 2015 - 11.15pm

"Till There Was You".  I kinda cringe when I hear that, although if I can get past that, I do find myself humming to it, or worse singing it! paul-mccartney

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25 January 2015 - 11.22pm

I thought Love Me Do sounded dated when it came out, still do. Like it a lot though. I feel the same about She Loves You which is not one of my favourites.

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Ooh good thread. Beatles lyrics have done remarkably well after 50 years (despite the views of a certain late scottish critic), but there are a number of phrases and words that may potentially need translation.

Some phrases are borderline: Sunday driver and Day Tripper come to mind. A line like all the girls around her say she's got it coming but she gets it while she can will confuse people one day.

A Day In The Life - I'd love to turn you on this has already lost one of its specific 60's slang meanings, to introduce someone to something, particularly drugs. We'd now say 'put someone onto something' but that wouldn't scan! While we're here dovetail joint had an entirely secondary meaning that was a slang joke when it was written.

Back In The USSR - Honey disconnect the phone I can't believe this got missed :D Even waiting by the phone is still relevant.

Come Together - this is so full of deliberate and fake jargon it already requires a pamphlet for the younger folk to sort out which is which. Flatttop, holy roller are real for instance.

Doctor Robert national health a specifically British reference that the Tories are only too keen to make a thing of the past :P If I was a really cynical person I'd apply Taxman in the same vein.

That's enough to get started.

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26 January 2015 - 12.35am

^ Aw, yeah, that's what I'm talking about, @ewe2.
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Some phrases are borderline: Sunday driver 

Haha, I used Sunday driver yesterday. My family always used it for people who drive slow on the weekends, as if that's the only time they take the car for a spin.

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26 January 2015 - 12.45am

Is parlnace one of your alter egos?
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& that is how we used Sunday driver.

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Ahhh Girl said
Is parlnace one of your alter egos?

They keep multiplying.

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parlance said

Ahhh Girl said
Is parlnace one of your alter egos?

They keep multiplying.

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So there is parlance, parlancw, parl and, parlnace. Do you have a cloning machine?

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parlance said
Haha, I used Sunday driver yesterday. My family always used it for people who drive slow on the weekends, as if that's the only time they take the car for a spin.

parlnace

Yeah that's its meaning alright :D I also wanted to point out that perhaps the reason Beatles lyrics are almost jargon-free is that they were probably conscious that jargon has a distancing effect and they were looking for the simplest language to use. That's why it amuses me that MacDonald ranted about how opaque their lyrics were, considering how difficult jazz lyrics have turned out. They didn't go all out with moon - june stuff; although I did find twice as many uses of the word blue as an emotion versus a colour (nerd alert! nerd alert!).

Found another dated phone reference: You Won't See Me When I call you up your line’s engaged That's a thought, will we need residential phonebooks in the future? Because then You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) will be baffling

edit: and there's another thought, phones and cars and planes are the only obvious references to technology I can think of off the top of my head in Beatles songs.

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People of the future might think of You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) in terms of looking up the name on the internet.

Pretty nifty bit of trivia about the word blue. Thank you for that.

Car/transportation-related technology The Beatles sing about: lorrry, bus, submarine, train, taxi, meter (well there is a meter maid), fire engine.

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