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The Beatles make a reference to The Moody Blues?
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The Strawberry
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26 May 2012 - 6.54pm

 Hey, everybody! Long time, no see! 😀

 

 This has probably been posted before, but I don't feel like looking through millions of pages of posts.

 Anyways, in November 1967, The Moody Blues come out with Days of Future Passed. A song on this album is titled "Forever Afternoon (Tuesday?)". A few months later, The Beatles record their next single, "Lady Madonna".

 

 Now maybe it's just me, but does anyone else think that "Forever Afternoon (Tuesday?)" and "Tuesday afternoon is never ending." have such a similar message?

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26 May 2012 - 8.34pm

Well I don't know the song by the moody blues but just the message of these two lyric pieces are definitely the same

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26 May 2012 - 8.55pm

It could just be a coincidence considering he does mention the other days of the week as well. But then again, it could be if he listened to both Tuesday Afternoon and Evening Time To Get Away as they could have been played together that he made the reference. Played together it's over 8 minutes I believe.

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26 May 2012 - 10.26pm

George, whether you've heard the song or not, it doesn't matter, it's the reference.

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26 May 2012 - 10.51pm

It wouldnt surprise me if Paul knew the song and was mindful of it when writing Lady Madonna. The Beatles had been friendly with the Moody Blues for years, Paul obviously knew their material as he invited Denny Laine to join Wings (tho he left The Moody Blues in '66) and Paul was always looking for and receiving inspiration from other bands and songs.

 

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28 May 2012 - 9.02pm

Probably just a coincidence - as Bjway says, the other days of the week all get a shoutout - but neat observation anyways! The "Forever" in the title of that Moodys song never made much sense to me, since the word "forever" doesn't appear in the lyrics at all, and the song is frequently (and more sensibly) titled simply "Tuesday Afternoon" on compilation albums, etc.

(Always LOVED Days of Future Passed  btw - and it's still probably only like my 17th favourite album of 1967, whatta year! Not even counting it being my year of birth!)

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30 May 2012 - 1.19am

It's hard to think that Paul wouldn't have known the song, doubtless George would have made him listen to the album if he didn't do so himself. The similarity could be a coincidence or "subliminal plagiarism" though.

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1 June 2012 - 2.07am

It looks like it's unknown. Everyone here has a different yet interesting opinion on it. Maybe someday, Paul will tell us.

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23 October 2012 - 5.27am

The only thing those two songs have in common is that they mention Tuesday Afternoon.

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Von Bontee
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23 October 2012 - 6.36pm

Well, that and the concept of a Tuesday afternoon lasting "forever". And like I said, the Moodys only articulated that concept in the song's title, not the lyric. I'd say it's probably a coincidence.

I wonder why The Walrus suggests that George in particular would know the song and recommend it to Paul?

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23 October 2012 - 9.49pm

Von Bontee said
Well, that and the concept of a Tuesday afternoon lasting "forever". And like I said, the Moodys only articulated that concept in the song's title, not the lyric. I'd say it's probably a coincidence.

I wonder why The Walrus suggests that George in particular would know the song and recommend it to Paul?

It was something I read in (I think) Revolution In The Head, that George was the band's "scout" and listened to the most music, particularly from America. Given how acclaimed the album is now (and, as far as I can tell, then), it seems astonishing that the Beatles wouldn't have listened to it.

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Von Bontee
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23 October 2012 - 10.23pm

Ah, gotcha. Interesting! I would've thought that George was largely ignoring the rock music world in '67. But I knew that John & Paul, at least, were keeping tabs on the music scene. I can't imagine they'd be unaware of that album.

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25 October 2012 - 4.25am

I forgot that the original post said that the actual title was Forever Afternoon instead of Tuesday.

I could see Paul in some drug induced state " Yeah Tuesday it goes on and on and on"

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Von Bontee
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25 October 2012 - 5.00am

It could've gone the other way, too - imagine Justin Hayward and the boys listening to "Good Morning Good Morning" and thinking "hey, we can do an album that's, like, an ENTIRE DAY!"

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25 October 2012 - 2.59pm

Von Bontee said
It could've gone the other way, too - imagine Justin Hayward and the boys listening to "Good Morning Good Morning" and thinking "hey, we can do an album that's, like, an ENTIRE DAY!"

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28 October 2012 - 10.24pm

Or maybe it was a deliberate "hello" reference by Paul to his friends in the Moody Blues. The original album version was over 8 minutes long, maybe Paul was referencing the song's length. Just a thought.

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29 October 2012 - 3.29pm

robert said
Or maybe it was a deliberate "hello" reference by Paul to his friends in the Moody Blues. The original album version was over 8 minutes long, maybe Paul was referencing the song's length. Just a thought.

That would make sense and would explain the line "Tuesday afternoon is never ending".

That being said, I think the mentioning of the days of the week is coincidental. Writing the days of the week into song had been going on for quite some time before 1967. T-Bone Walker's "Stormy Monday" was written in 1947 and featured the lyrics...

They call it stormy Monday, but Tuesday's just as bad.

Wednesday's worse, and Thursday's also sad.

Yes the eagle flies on Friday, and Saturday I go out to play.

Sunday I go to church, then I kneel down and pray.

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Von Bontee
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29 October 2012 - 5.52pm

Not to mention that old "Monday's child, full of grace..." rhyme.

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29 October 2012 - 5.57pm

Yes I fully I agree that using the days of the week as a lyric writing technique is a classic writer's tool - and Paul, once having deciding to use that tool, then may have put a little nod out to the Moody Blues - you can almost hear him and John laughing over the inside joke - because the song Tuesday Afternoon album version - does go on forever.

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