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The Beatles Bible 2015 Canon Poll - Results & Discussion
12 September 2015
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Like trcanberra I voted based on my likings, no songs were awarded higher marks for historical importance or being deemed "best" by whoever. I thought that was the point.

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That's how I voted as well. I'm not saying anyone else did it wrong, but the poll may be skewed if not everyone was on the same page concerning what they were voting for.

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Ok finally finding time to try to post this...my life has been, well, something else..quite unexpected, busy, and wonderful, over the past month 🙂

First, @meanmistermustard, do you happen to have the final version of the results sorted by album? If so, would you please send me a copy? If not, I'll add the final results to the list you posted.

I think this should win as topic of the year 🙂 Of course it can't compare traffic-wise to things like "In My Life " and "Impossible to derail", but as far as new topics this has definitely been the most fun imo! And as has been discussed the technology will make future such polls, such as the non-Canon poll, not just possible but fairly easy. One more time, thanks not only to the pollsters but also the participants 🙂

I know I talked a lot about analyzing my voting, distributing my votes equally throughout the 10 ratings, "objective" vs. "subjective" song quality, etc. There are almost as many approaches to voting as there were voters. I kind of figure that the method a person uses doesn't matter; however paying close attention to whether we are rating the "best" Beatles songs (as we "objectively" think) or "our favorite" (purely aesthetically) Beatles songs is worthwhile as differences in this primary objective could make the poll not accurately reflect its purpose. Regardless of my personal opinion of whether we can be objective in terms of song quality (I think at least many of us can, to a point), they are different and distinct goals. Some of us may think our favorites are the "objective" best, and that's ok - but I would rate them differently. Which leads me to my main point - in the end I did both - I started trying to be objective, but then made adjustments based on subjective factors.

I don't think the poll resulted in something that we could present to a Beatles novice as their "best" work. While SFF is a great song, there are several better ones according to my set of "objective" criteria (which are probably not the same as yours ;). If I had to pick a single song, it would be ADITL - but others have good claims on being the "single best Beatles song". Although Lucy isn't a personal fave of mine, I have to respect Elton's opinion that its the greatest rock-n-roll song ever written. And any attempt to win a novice over to Beatlemania should highlight the great variety of their music, from simple teeny-bopper love song pop hits to simple songs about deep subjects and bizarre songs about (essentially) no subject and everything in between. One of my favorite examples, Lovely Rita , is a great example of a simple song that bears up to a lot of analysis; I Saw Her Standing There is a fairly standard and simple early rock love song, yet it's got a lot of what I consider great objective features; In My Life is one of the best descriptions of love in a song that I'm aware of; Here Comes The Sun is incredibly simple, yet the ostensible subject matter (return of spring) is something that is incredibly pleasing to humans on an instinctual/survival level - seeing that first nice day that means we've survived another winter has meant, since before simple mammals evolved into early humans, that the species made it through another winter. And the song holds up to more than one metaphorical analysis. The examples go on... I guess thinking about our top 10 it would be a fairly good "package" to present to someone - but there are some important songs missing (as those of us who gave more than 10 songs a "10" rating well know!).

I noticed that my personal top 10 was remarkably close to the poll results. I've summarized how my and the poll's top 10 compare, and analyzed it (as I am want to do). My conclusion is that it's actually probably common and the majority of us came pretty close (except you poor @Zig!). But I'm spoiling it because it makes the post even longer and some of you might not be interested at all in detailed speculative analysis...I know some just go on aesthetics and that's all good too 🙂

At some point, I took the 35 9s and 10s I rated and ranked them as my top 35 - it really wasn't that difficult, although I'm sure my results would vary a little on any given day. My first reaction was to think the results are remarkable in their similarity to the poll results. Then as I thought about it, and looked closely at the votes given to the top 10, I started to wonder if it was in fact a highly likely results - that the poll's top 10 would average, at least in most cases, a low ranking by the voters (top 10 songs averaged 17.4 in my poll and actually 5.5 in the group poll) - since the songs got the top 10 total # of vote,, the consensus top 10 won't be too far off from too many individual top 10s (conversely, my top 10 averaged a slightly lower 21.5 in the group poll).

My top 10 and the poll top 10, and have their corresponding rankings in the other...

The poll top 10, with my rankings in parens (where the songs placed, if in my top 35):

010 The End (1)
009 (338) Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (>35, estimated at 50 for averaging purposes)
008 (341) I Am The Walrus (>35, same as above)
007 (347) Something (14)
006 (348) Abbey Road Medley (5)
005 (349) While My Guitar Gently Weeps (24)
004 (353) In My Life) (4)
003 (356) Here Comes The Sun (12)
002 (376) A Day In The Life (1)
001 (377) Strawberry Fields Forever (3)

 My top 10, with the poll results in parens:

1 The End (10
2 ADITL (2)
3 Strawberry Fields Forever (1)
4 In My Life (4)
5 Abbey Road Medley (6)
6 Dear Prudence (19)
7 Hey Bulldog (26)
8 Don't Let Me Down (85)
9 Eleanor Rigby (11)
10 With A Little Help From My Friends (49)         

                                                             

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@Matt Busby, I forgot all about this. I'll get on it, post the remaining albums and send you a copy. Anyone else who wants the spreadsheet send me a PM.

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The majority of these were posted earlier but now we have the full results better to have them all in one place. After each title is its position in the results followed by the number of points it got out of 390. 

Please Please Me

A Taste Of Honey (215, 180)
Chains (208, 188)
Boys (206, 198)
Ask Me Why (200, 202)
Anna (Go To Him) (195, 210)
P.S. I Love You (193, 213)
Baby It's You (190, 215)
Misery (178, 224)
Do You Want To Know A Secret (164, 234)
There's A Place (151 242)
Love Me Do (Album Version) (149, 243)
Please Please Me (45, 308)
Twist And Shout (25, 320)
I Saw Her Standing There (12, 333)

With The Beatles

Little Child (213, 184)
Devil In Her Heart (212, 186)
Hold Me Tight (190, 215)
Don't Bother Me (181, 223)
I Wanna Be Your Man (178, 224)
Not A Second Time (173, 226)
Till There Was You (170, 231)
All I've Got To Do (164, 234)
Money (That's What I Want) (146, 244)
Roll Over Beethoven (146, 244)
You Really Got A Hold On Me (140, 247)
Please Mister Postman (124, 260)
It Won't Be Long (91, 280)
All My Loving (65, 295)

A Hard Day's Night

When I Get Home (197, 206)
I'll Cry Instead (185, 220) 
Any Time At All (140, 247)
Tell Me Why (139, 248)
I'll Be Back (135, 253)
You Can't Do That (110, 267)
I'm Happy Just To Dance With You (108, 268)
And I Love Her (74, 288)
Things We Said Today (74, 288)
If I Fell (299, 58)
Can't Buy Me Love (52, 302)
I Should Have Known Better (50, 303)
A Hard Day's Night (17, 329)

Beatles For Sale

Mr. Moonlight (217, 167)
Honey Don’t (210, 187)
Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby (203, 201)
Medley: Kansas City/Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! (197, 206)
I Don't Want To Spoil The Party (181, 223)
Every Little Thing (172, 228)
What You're Doing (167, 233)
Words Of Love (167, 233)
Rock And Roll Music (153, 241)
Baby's In Black (137, 250)
I'll Follow The Sun (133, 254)
I'm A Loser (94, 277)
Eight Days A Week (82, 285)
No Reply (69, 291)

Help!

Act Naturally (210, 187)
Dizzy Miss Lizzy (203, 201)
Tell Me What You See (178, 224)
You Like Me Too Much (175, 225)
Another Girl (146, 244)
It's Only Love (131, 257)
I Need You (122, 261)
The Night Before (119, 262)
You're Going To Lose That Girl (78, 286)
I've Just Seen A Face (52, 302)
Yesterday (44, 310)
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away (28, 318)
Help! (12, 333)
Ticket To Ride (12, 333)

Rubber Soul

What Goes On (184, 222)
Wait (163, 237)
Run For Your Life (155, 240)
Think For Yourself  (129, 259)
You Won't See Me (109, 267)
The Word  (105, 270)
If I Needed Someone (99, 273)
Michelle (95, 276)
I'm Looking For You (78, 286)
Drive My Car (57, 300)
Girl (35, 314)
Nowhere Man (21, 323)
Norwegian Wood  (This Bird Has Flown) (9, 338)
In My Life (4, 353)

Revolver

Doctor Robert (171, 229)
Love You To (151, 242)
I Want To Tell You (124, 260)
Yellow Submarine (100, 272)
Good Day Sunshine (92, 278)
Got To Get You Into My Life (74, 288)
And Your Bird Can Sing (55, 301)
I'm Only Sleeping (48, 306)
She Said She Said (37, 311)
Taxman (37, 311)
For No One (31, 317)
Here, There And Everywhere (28, 318)
Tomorrow Never Knows (21, 323)
Eleanor Rigby (11, 334)

Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Sgt. Pepper Run Out Groove (219, 146)
When I'm Sixty-Four  (142, 246)
Good Morning, Good Morning (106, 269)
Lovely Rita  (100, 272)
Fixing A Hole (97, 275)
Within You, Without You (96, 275)
Getting Better (92, 278)
She's Leaving Home (78, 286)
Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite (69, 291)
With A Little Help From My Friends (49, 304)
Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band (37, 311)
Sgt. Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)  (33, 315)
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (20, 326)
A Day In The Life (2, 376)

The Beatles (a.k.a. 'The White Album ')

Wild Honey Pie (220, 136)
Revolution 9 (216, 168)
Can You Take Me Back (197, 206)
Why Don't We Do It In The Road  (194, 211)
Good Night  (190, 215)
Honey Pie  (173, 226)
Rocky Raccoon  (164, 234)
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill  (161, 238)
Savoy Truffle  (159, 239)
Don't Pass Me By (155, 240)
Long, Long, Long  (153, 241)
Piggies  (149, 243)
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da  (133, 254)
Birthday (113, 265)
Mother Nature's Son  (113, 265)
Sexy Sadie  (112, 266)
Cry Baby Cry  (111, 267)
Martha My Dear  (106, 269)
Glass Onion  (103, 271)
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey (100, 272)
Julia  (85, 283)
Yer Blues  (74, 288)
I Will  (73, 289)
Revolution 1 (68, 293)
Back In The U.S.S.R. (65, 295)
Blackbird  (55, 301)
I'm So Tired  (52, 302)
Helter Skelter  (37, 311)
Dear Prudence  (19, 328)
Happiness Is A Warm Gun  (17, 329)
While My Guitar Gently Weeps  (5, 349)

Yellow Submarine

Only A Northern Song (187, 217)
All Together Now (181, 223)
It's All Too Much (155, 240)
Yellow Submarine (100, 272)
All You Need Is Love (65, 295)
Hey Bulldog (26, 319)

Abbey Road

Her Majesty (175, 225)
Maxwell's Silver Hammer  (169, 232)
Mean Mr. Mustard (124, 260)
Polythene Pam  (124, 260)
Octopus's Garden (119, 262)
Sun King (103, 271)
I Want You (She's So Heavy) (72, 290)
Oh! Darling (69, 291)
Carry That Weight (61, 298)
Golden Slumbers (60, 298)
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window (45, 308)
Come Together (37, 311)
Because (32, 316)
You Never Give Me Your Money (26, 319)
The End (10, 337)
Something (7, 347)
Abbey Road Medley (6, 348)
Here Comes The Sun (3, 356)

Let It Be

Dig It (218, 163)
Maggie Mae (214, 182)
Dig A Pony (155, 240)
The Long And Winding Road (143, 245)
For You Blue (119, 262)
One After 909 (117, 263)
I Me Mine (85, 283)
I've Got A Feeling (84, 284)
Let It Be (Album Version) (78, 286)
Get Back (Album Version) (62, 297)
Across The Universe (Album Version) (58, 299)
Two of Us (45, 308)

Past Masters

Matchbox (208, 188)
Bad Boy (207, 190)
Thank You Girl (205, 199)
Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand (200, 202)
Slow Down (200, 202)
Sie Liebt Dich (196, 207)
I'll Get You (186, 219)
You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) (175, 225)
The Inner Light (161, 238)
Yes It Is (159, 239)
I Call Your Name (143, 245)
Love Me Do (Single Version) (143, 245)
She's A Woman (138, 249)
Long Tall Sally 136 252)
I'm Down (124, 260)
Old Brown Shoe (122, 261)
The Ballad Of John And Yoko (117, 263)
From Me To You (115, 264)
Across The Universe ('World Wildlife Fund' Version) 98 274
This Boy (90, 281)
Lady Madonna (88, 282)
Don't Let Me Down (85, 283)
Get Back (Single Version) (66, 294)
Let It Be (Single Version) (66, 294)
We Can Work It Out (50, 303)
I Want To Hold Your Hand (37, 311)
Paperback Writer (37, 311)
I Feel Fine (36, 313)
Hey Jude (33, 315)
She Loves You (28, 318)
Rain (23, 322)
Revolution (23, 322)
Day Tripper (15, 331)

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I've used MMM's data (I added MMT) to rank the albums (average song rank in parens). They come in 3 groups - the good, the great, and the best of all time:

13 With The Beatles (156.6)
12 Beatles For Sale (155.9)
11 Please Please Me (152.2)
10 Let it Be (114.8)
09 Past Masters (112.4)
08 White Album (110)
07 Help ! (107.9)
06 A Hard Day's Night (103)
05 Rubber Soul (88.9)
04 Sgt. Pepper 's (81.4) (without the Run Out Track, 70.8)
03 Magical Mystery Tour (73.8)
02 Revolver (70)
01 Abbey Road (69)
 

Here are the complete Magical Mystery Tour results. Surprisingly it places 3rd on the strength of 3 top 16 songs:

Blue Jay Way 189 (216)
Flying 187 (217)
Baby You're A Rich Man 131 (257)
Your Mother Should Know 129 (259)
Magical Mystery Tour 115 (264)
The Fool On The Hill 88 (282)
Hello Goodbye 82 (285)
All You Need Is Love 63 (295)
Penny Lane 16 (330)
I Am The Walrus 8 (341)
Strawberry Fields Forever 1 (377)

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That's actually quite surprising but very interesting.........Thanks I'll have to get my head around this.....White Album below Help and MMT are the big surprises.

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Wigwam said
That's actually quite surprising but very interesting.........Thanks I'll have to get my head around this.....White Album below Help and MMT are the big surprises.

Thanks

It doesn't really surprise me; the 'White Album ' has such a variety of material on it - including some quite experimental tracks - while MMT is a cobbled-together concoction with all those hit singles on the 2nd 'side'. The margin to Help is much closer, but a lot of the songs on the WA are polarising.

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trcanberra said

Wigwam said
That's actually quite surprising but very interesting.........Thanks I'll have to get my head around this.....White Album below Help and MMT are the big surprises.

Thanks

It doesn't really surprise me; the 'White Album ' has such a variety of material on it - including some quite experimental tracks - while MMT is a cobbled-together concoction with all those hit singles on the 2nd 'side'. The margin to Help is much closer, but a lot of the songs on the WA are polarising.

I used the "cobbled-up" version of MMT just so that those hits would be counted somewhere. Obviously, if they had been included on Sgt. Pepper 's (as some think they should have been), it would most likely have taken the #1 spot. But I personally like Sgt. Pepper 's the way it is - whether it's just that I'm so used to the feel/flow, or that I really do like all those "lesser" songs quite a bit, I'm not sure - probably both. You can discount MMT's qualifications to be in the rankings based on your point that its status (at least the track listing I used) as Canon might be questionable to purists, of which I'm generally one in this respect. When discussing the entire library, it's usually easier to use only the UK track listings rather than muck things up by considering the (dirty & confusing marketing ploy of) relisting and renaming of some albums when they found their way to the states.

Using just the soundtrack songs, the average drops all the way to 119.3 (10th), which is probably more reflective of the general community attitude towards MMT. If they hadn't been released on MMT, they surely would have deserved spots on Past Masters , which would have moved it to 103.9 (7th), a reasonable spot given that it's a collection of singles. Perhaps that is more appropriate, having one album for singles rather than picking MMT to put a disproportionate number of the best singles onto. But all 4 Beatles weren't involved with picking the track list, which raises questions in my mind as to whether the albums are really Canon (not that I want to dig up that topic here, and the individual songs are Canon in my book!). And even I'm not obsessive enough to do it properly, separating them into Past Masters 1 & 2 - which would have put them on an equal footing with the others as far as number of songs go. I'm thinking Past Masters 1 would have been significantly lower than 2, since the two were created in chronological order and the songs generally got better rankings the later they were produced - understandably.

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Wild Honey Pie is one of my favourite Beattle's song 😉

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So If "Past Masters " is considered Canon, does Hollywood Bowl belong there too??  john-lennon-salute_gif

 

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Past Masters

Matchbox (208, 188)
Bad Boy (207, 190)
Thank You Girl (205, 199)
Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand (200, 202)
Slow Down (200, 202)
Sie Liebt Dich (196, 207)
I'll Get You (186, 219)
You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) (175, 225)
The Inner Light (161, 238)
Yes It Is (159, 239)
I Call Your Name (143, 245)
Love Me Do (Single Version) (143, 245)
She's A Woman (138, 249)
Long Tall Sally 136 252)
I'm Down (124, 260)
Old Brown Shoe (122, 261)
The Ballad Of John And Yoko (117, 263)
From Me To You (115, 264)
Across The Universe ('World Wildlife Fund' Version) 98 274
This Boy (90, 281)
Lady Madonna (88, 282)
Don't Let Me Down (85, 283)
Get Back (Single Version) (66, 294)
Let It Be (Single Version) (66, 294)
We Can Work It Out (50, 303)
I Want To Hold Your Hand (37, 311)
Paperback Writer (37, 311)
I Feel Fine (36, 313)
Hey Jude (33, 315)
She Loves You (28, 318)
Rain (23, 322)
Revolution (23, 322)
Day Tripper (15, 331)  

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So If "Past Masters " is considered Canon, does Hollywood Bowl belong there too??  john-lennon-salute_gif

 

  

No. It would belong with 'Anthology', 'BBC', 'Love etc.

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