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The Beatles Bible 2015 Canon Poll - Results & Discussion
31 August 2015
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Something very similar (a top 20 and a bottom 20) was my first suggestion back in the "Can We All Agree or Not?" thread.

It wasn't an overly popular idea.

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The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

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Ah, I didn't recall that. We can see if minds have changed.

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While it might seem a daunting task to rank them all, or even a top 100, what I did to make a top 35 was rank my 10s, then my 9s. It really wasn't that hard, although I'm sure it would vary (at least a little) daily 😉 Actually I was surprised, because I usually start to overanalyze and it takes forever. If such a poll ever happens, I'll definitely do it that way.

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Matt Busby said
AAAARRRGGH! Will I ever learn? I just spent literally 3 hours composing a long, hopefully insightful post to summarize my feelings about the poll. Was previewing it, hit the wrong key, and poof. It's not in my cutbuffer, can't seem to get it back by going back through edits (ctrl-z)...Damn (I'm thinking something much worse!). Not that this is the right place to suggest it, but some sort of auto-backup feature would be a wonderful enhancement.

EDIT: I was upset when I posted this. It really wasn't that long, but I had revised and revised, cutnpasted, checked facts, referred back to previous posts, etc. And I hope my comment about the auto-backup didn't sound sarcastic - while it would be a nice feature, what happened was due to my own stupidity and no fault of the forum. With that in mind, and no longer shaking, I'm going to try again - composing in Word, and I'll cutnpaste it here when in its entirety when it's finished. You know how it is, I hadn't started out intending to put such effort into it...

Anyway apologies for the off topic angry-at-myself post, and hopefully here in a little while will appear a relevant, hopefully interesting replacement of the original 🙂

Ouch, I feel the pain. Maybe compose longer posts in a word processor and copy and paste?

Yes SG, I know

stay-on-topic

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Notice what's included.......Top 50 biggest sellers.....

http://www.officialcharts.com/.....ed__10575/

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Notice what's included.......Top 50 biggest sellers.....

http://www.officialcharts.com/.....ed__10575/

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British best sellers no doubt. "Yesterday " is listed as a 1976 single. In the US, it was released in 1965 and was a mega hit. 

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Great idea, @Ahhh Girl 

I'm happy with the top 3. The top 2 was always set in stone and I'm not surprised to see SFF at 1. Here Comes The Sun is a nice surprise, wouldn't have been shocked to see it in the top 10 but also not shocked if it didn't make the top 10.

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I went back and analyzed my song list I posted here in 2014 (remember that thread!) and compared the two. I have the top songs that have a serious difference in placing from my list to this canon one, and vice versa. I did not count the additional versions mentioned in the latter poll, instead going for the top version of it so there was 211 songs from each list. My rankings on my own list will be slightly different now but I have stuck with my original list I put up a year ago.

The numbers are the points between my own chart and this chart.

Top 10 songs that did better on this canon poll (therefore, sounds I feel did too well):
1. Girl (133)
2. I Want To Hold Your Hand (125)
3. Sgt. Pepper 's Reprise (116)
4. She's Leaving Home (112)
5. For No One (105)
6. Being for the Benefit or Mr. Kite! (105)
7. Here, There And Everywhere (101)
8. All You Need Is Love (101)
9. I Will (98)
10. Penny Lane (90)

Top 10 songs that did better on my own list (therefore, songs I feel didn't do well enough):
1. Every Little Thing (135)
2. Long Long Long (124)
3. Savoy Truffle (121)
4. The Night Before (108)
5. Don't Bother Me (107)
6. I'll Be Back (98)
7. When I Get Home (91)
8. Kansas City (89)
9. You Can't Do That (89)
10. If I Needed Someone (88)

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
British best sellers no doubt. "Yesterday " is listed as a 1976 single. In the US, it was released in 1965 and was a mega hit. 

Yes, both Beatles & Elvis list based on U.K Vinyl & digital sales.  Movie Medley selling more than Yesterday WOW!

Elvis only had one million selling U.K single, It's Now Or Never, which surprises me.

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Great poll, well done @Ron Nasty and @Starr Shine?. 

Interestingly this poll duplicated my top 3 , and I only voted once. Rounding out my top 5 are Eleanor Rigby and I Am The Walrus

I always have thought that there is no such thing as a bad Beatles song, and I still believe that. Even Wild Honey Pie , Mr Moonlight and Dig It have their merits. Great ones too, IMHO. Throughout my childhood I loved those songs, since surpassed by others. But the Beatles had a magic like no other. So ranking these songs was super difficult for me. 

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Looking at the list again, I'm struck by "The End " at #10.

A+ little ending of course for the album and for the Beatles' career.

But are we really saying that this is the best song McCartney ever wrote for the Beatles???

Better than Eleanor Rigby , I Saw Her Standing There and Penny Lane ? Very much better than Here, There, and Everywhere. Way better than Hey Jude or Yesterday ????

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Looking at the list again, I'm struck by "The End " at #10.

A+ little ending of course for the album and for the Beatles' career.

But are we really saying that this is the best song McCartney ever wrote for the Beatles???

Better than Eleanor Rigby , I Saw Her Standing There and Penny Lane ? Very much better than Here, There, and Everywhere. Way better than Hey Jude or Yesterday ????

Yes, I'm afraid that's the best old McCartney could do.

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The others might be better but most of Paul's material either suffers from overexposure ('Yesterday ', 'Let It Be ') or splits the audience ('The Long And Winding Road '). I'd happily spend the rest of my life not listening to 'Penny Lane ' and i rarely if ever get the urge to hear 'Eleanor Rigby '. Many fans feel that 'Hey Jude ' goes on too long. 

May benefit 'The End ' that its rarely heard outside of the medley yet its got one of the most iconic Beatles lyrics and has solos from all four.

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
Looking at the list again, I'm struck by "The End " at #10.

A+ little ending of course for the album and for the Beatles' career.

But are we really saying that this is the best song McCartney ever wrote for the Beatles???

Better than Eleanor Rigby , I Saw Her Standing There and Penny Lane ? Very much better than Here, There, and Everywhere. Way better than Hey Jude or Yesterday ????

I didn't know I was supposed to vote for best - only what I liked?

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@trcanberra Good question. Going back to the top of this thread it's not clearly spelled out.

The idea at the start was to rank the songs according to quality ("best"). See https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....ee-or-not/

In other words, if someone came onto the Forum and said, "I don't know the Beatles; give me their best 10-20 songs" we could say, well, here are their best 10-20 songs according to the super Beatle fans on this forum.

If you go instead by your current favorites, then, as pointed out by mmm, songs that you hear all the time on the radio or in the supermarket will be knocked down, and fun songs that you don't hear much will float up the rankings. Also, there may be songs that you don't particular enjoy, but you recognize their value ("Tomorrow Never Knows " in my case)

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The best/favorite discussion is a long, on-going one on the forum. At least it is a more civilized discussion than the one over who sang the ahhhs.

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@trcanberra Good question. Going back to the top of this thread it's not clearly spelled out.

The idea at the start was to rank the songs according to quality ("best"). See https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....ee-or-not/

In other words, if someone came onto the Forum and said, "I don't know the Beatles; give me their best 10-20 songs" we could say, well, here are their best 10-20 songs according to the super Beatle fans on this forum.

If you go instead by your current favorites, then, as pointed out by mmm, songs that you hear all the time on the radio or in the supermarket will be knocked down, and fun songs that you don't hear much will float up the rankings. Also, there may be songs that you don't particular enjoy, but you recognize their value ("Tomorrow Never Knows " in my case)

Played on the radio or in the supermarket doesn't mean it's the best. In fact, more mainstream songs by an artist tend to get the most radio play or end up in stores. Also, as fans, I think we should probably hear all the songs more than the average person would, so I don't think the argument that we are ranking certain songs higher because we hear them less often is valid.

In fact, if we dislike a song after hearing it too much, doesn't that mean it's not good after all? The End is certainly a better song than Yesterday . Yesterday has a memorable melody but it's a bit more like muzak than The End is.

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The best/favorite discussion is a long, on-going one on the forum. At least it is a more civilized discussion than the one over who sang the ahhhs.

Indeed - but I'm wondering if it affected how we voted here. I voted on what I liked not my perception of the best songs.

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The best/favorite discussion is a long, on-going one on the forum. At least it is a more civilized discussion than the one over who sang the ahhhs.

Indeed - but I'm wondering if it affected how we voted here. I voted on what I liked not my perception of the best songs.

I don't differentiate between favorite and best. If it's possible that something could be the best song and also my least favorite, then we would need objective criteria laid out to determine what makes something "best," and we would all have to agree with the criteria.

Also, that seems like sort of a slippery slope. Like maybe people who didn't get their favorite songs in the top 10 wanting to argue us into believing their favorites are the best, not ours.

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