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The Beatles Bible 2015 Canon Poll - Results & Discussion
27 August 2015
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What would be the point? Most either wouldn't care, wouldn't believe him and/or claim he was trying to rob John of his legacy whilst being an obsessed egotistical control freak.

We've been here before with that conversation.

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What would be the point? Most either wouldn't care, wouldn't believe him and/or claim he was trying to rob John of his legacy whilst being an obsessed egotistical control freak.

We've been here before with that conversation.

Well the point would be the imparting of information......Getting the history correct. All historians will draw on many sources for corroboration. But while we have the horse's mouth still with us........!!

I believe most on here would care......and are fair enough to want to give credit where it's due. Look at the conversation over the Ahhhs in ADITL. Whether he's believed or not, or how it's interpreted is not in his or anyone's control. I suspect there would be some accusations of egotism..........But better to go to the Great Composer In The Sky having said you piece don't you think?

Apologies if this has been discussed before. Perhaps you could point me to that thread. I'd be interested in why this suggestion has previously been summarily dismissed.

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Check this thread, @Wigwam. I think it may be one of the conversations mmm was thinking about.

http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo.....ng-credit/

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Having just read thru those 5 pages i can see exactly why MMM and perhaps others from both camps wouldn't want to go there again......There's certainly powerful arguments on both sides.....But ultimately leading nowhere.

There was a lot of sense spoken........But I'm firmly with vectisfabber's comment mid-way through the thread:

"One of the things which irritates me about this issue is the fact that there seems to be a strong point of view which would prefer Paul to shut up and say nothing, rather than tell us something which gives us more information about the songs we all love."

After all part of the reason why we're here is to learn more about 'what' and 'when' and 'how' they did it......

In the context of this thread I was just suggesting that George and John's relative success in the poll might spur Paul into making more unsubtle asides when it would be better (from my point of view) to 'put-up' once and for all ........and then shut-up.

Win win for me as he's already tagged as egotistical whatever he does....But he puts his case out clearly. We can make of it what we want.

A nice point that MMM made was that after he dies Paul's recognition and popularity will soar........and I'm sure it will.

...........But the arguments that he could have cleared up about who did what will rage on for eternity.

...Still it will sell books.

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Great top 3. Two of those are in my top 10 and the Strawberry Fields would be somewhere between 20 & 30 on my list, but it deserves a top 3 position. But surprised to see In My Life so high, it's a great song and in my top 50 but number 4... possibly a little too high.

Thought the Abbey Road Medley might have cracked the top 3!

Roll on #1, #2 and #3

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@Wigwam, when i said "most either wouldn't care" i meant elsewhere; there is a lot of ill-feeling among Beatles towards Paul and how they see him coming across as trying to promote himself over all three Beatles. They've lost interest in what he says as it makes no difference to what they think or want to hear.

Any interview with Paul where he discusses anything new i'd be interested in - i'm bored with new interviews regurgitating old details/information.

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There are only a few dozen songs where he would need to clear up any doubts over his contribution. He should sit down toe-to-toe with Joe.

I'd pay good money to watch @Joe interview Paul. Or maybe Joe could find a way to stream it to us over the internet. I could see all of us huddled around our computers the way people huddled around their radios to hear an FDR or Churchill speech.

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There are only a few dozen songs where he would need to clear up any doubts over his contribution. He should sit down toe-to-toe with Joe.

I'd pay good money to watch @Joe interview Paul. Or maybe Joe could find a way to stream it to us over the internet. I could see all of us huddled around our computers the way people huddled around their radios to hear an FDR or Churchill speech.

Yes, no point in pursuing this but.......For instance I'd wager Joe.....or even MMM or Nice Mr Nasty with their almost unparalleled knowledge of Beatles' lore, given the opportunity would ask some searching and intelligent questions.....And despite statements to the contrary would be keen themselves to get to the bottom who did what.

But hey.......This is not the thread to belabour the point......Which I've just done I suppose. But I'm stopping now.

Roll on the 30th.

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I'd end up asking something off-limits or arguing with one of his answers and getting thrown out. Either that or drooling, unable to ask a question.

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Can someone post the entire list so far so I don't have to go through this thread and reconstruct it?

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It's in post 1, @Expert Textpert.

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When evaluating medical students for a spot in our orthopedic surgery program, we do exactly what's been done here: everyone on the committee gives a score to every candidate. Then we add up the scores (and send them to Ron Nasty and Annadog40).

Having said that, when we look at the rankings there are often surprises: "Gee how did A end up so far behind B?" Everyone agrees that shouldn't be so. Someone then pipes up that he doesn't know why he gave A such a low score; he thinks he might have been put off by A's hair. So then by consensus, A is moved up in the rankings in a totally subjective unscientific way.

Looking at the list here, do we think that the Top 10 /Top 20 are a fair representation of the Beatles' very, very best work? [You COULD argue that with this band, the Top 50 would represent their very, very best].

I wonder how many here feel that certain songs belong in the top 20 at the expense of this or that song? (You already guess where I stand on that.)

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"I wonder how many here feel that certain songs belong in the top 20 at the expense of this or that song?"

Ans: ......Everyone....We are all in your boat ITSWD.

That's not the point of a poll.......having our say and input and voting.

And then when it's compiled moaning about our personal disappointments.......That's what polls are for......Create an interest and provoke discussion.

They provide a list but not/never complete  agreement.

At least our poll made sense.....You could argue Medley's inclusion and Real Love Free As A Bird 's exclusion........But they were discussed and counted in or out on purpose........

Rolling Stone mag recently published it 100 Greatest Songwriters.....What a cock-up that was.....Madonna in Sting out......But then to compound it another guy draws together a list of great writers missed completely by Rolling Stone and even he misses out Sting.....George Michael not on either list.........George our new hero at Number 65!......The Bee Gees.......95. But Alan Toussaint  included.....Can anyone whistle an Alan Tousainte song??.......And I've just noticed no mention for ABBA at all.

have a look.......Still this list should cheer Paul up.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/mus.....ngwriters/

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Wigwam, you make a good point about the nature of lists and polls. In my case the act of voting forced me to evaluate the reasoning behind choosing one song over another. Initially the Beatles songs were written for dancing. You would play an album at a party and the songs were judged by how many people would get up and dance. The early Beatles loved to ramp-up the exhilaration (I can't hide, I can't hide, I CAN'T HIDE!!!) which would really get everybody going. The big bonus with the Beatles was that the slow songs were just as good and gave everyone a natural excuse to hold on to each other. So...when I'm thinking of those early songs it's hard to judge them correctly because they evoke the memories of youth. Later the songs became more cerebral and were meant for contemplation and paying more thoughtful attention. I don't remember just a-rocking and a-rolling to I Am The Walrus or A Day In The Life , but I enjoyed them just as much. Some of the later songs I only need to hear a few notes or words and I am sailing right along deep within my mind. As you said, "That's what polls are for......Create an interest and provoke discussion" indeed!

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A "clean" 'Dear Prudence ' is on Rock Band (easily found online); a "clean" 'ADITL' is available on the 'Blue Album '. Brilliant for playlists such as these.

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meanmistermustard said

A "clean" 'Dear Prudence ' is on Rock Band (easily found online); a "clean" 'ADITL' is available on the 'Blue Album '. Brilliant for playlists such as these.

I don't do torrents. Having a hard time finding a download link for the Rock Band mixes.

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The Rock Band tracks are on youtube. Rip it from there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....Kv2sr82GfI

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Turns out I already had a couple of alternate mixes of Dear Prudence . I just put one of those in.

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I don't know how to rip and put on my Mac songs from youtube?

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