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Written by: Lennon-McCartney
Recorded: 27 February 1964
Producer: George Martin
Engineer: Norman Smith

Released: 10 July 1964 (UK), 26 June 1964 (US)

John Lennon: lead vocals, rhythm guitar
Paul McCartney: harmony vocals, bass
George Harrison: harmony vocals, lead guitar
Ringo Starr: drums
George Martin: piano

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So what is it that they sing in falsetto, and why did it make it to vinyl when the words are mostly garbled?

I'm also curious, does falsetto singing grate on anyone else as much as me? Other than its use in background harmonies, which are great.

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They're singing Is there anything I can do?, and I've never had any trouble making that out 😀 One of the things about earlier Beatles songs (and boy bands in general) that boys themselves don't often understand, is that girls like the falsetto singing, particularly in emotive "drama" songs like this one; John had a fondness for writing them and they got edgier as time went on. This is completely premeditated, the Beatles knew exactly what they were doing and they were very very good at it.

So if it grates on you, I'm sorry but it really isn't for your benefit. 😀

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ewe2 said
They're singing Is there anything I can do?, and I've never had any trouble making that out 😀 One of the things about earlier Beatles songs (and boy bands in general) that boys themselves don't often understand, is that girls like the falsetto singing, particularly in emotive "drama" songs like this one; John had a fondness for writing them and they got edgier as time went on. This is completely premeditated, the Beatles knew exactly what they were doing and they were very very good at it.

So if it grates on you, I'm sorry but it really isn't for your benefit. 😀

That grates.

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I had trouble understanding it as well when I first heard it, until my dad said, 'If there's anything I can dooooo' and it made perfect sense after that. Actually I find that to be much less garbled than a lot of the other lines. 

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That grates.

True nonetheless, they were the original boy band. At least, that's how the industry reacted. Obviously the Beatles moved on, but the industry is still entranced by the idea. Screaming girls = shifting units.

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The Beatles weren't a boy band.

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I think ewe2 is referring to a very broad descriptive category, like Wiklpedia's:

A boy band (or boyband) is loosely defined as a vocal group consisting of young male singers, usually in their teenage years or in their twenties at the time of formation,[1] singing love songs marketed towards young females.

mmm is thinking more in line with the Urban Dictionary view:

A group(usually 4 or 5) sissy boys who do NOT play instruments. sing crappy pop music; stupid gay love songs that they didn't even write themselves. only pre-teens and teenie boopers like them.

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The Beatles weren't a boy band.

So they were a girl band?

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georgiewood said

I think ewe2 is referring to a very broad descriptive category, like Wiklpedia's:

Precisely, it's an industry description, not an opinion. It's what we'd call it now, but at the time there was no precedent, certainly not on that scale. You have to understand the industry mindset: they want to do the easy cheap thing that works, they're not original, and they tried for years to figure out how to replicate the Beatles success. The ironic thing is that you really do need a talented, charismatic group of guys, it's akin to finding a really good ensemble of actors. The further irony is that some of these guys are good enough to have their own career, not that the industry cares, that's just a bonus. There's only ever been a few really good boy bands and a ton of lame ones.

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ewe2 said 
 
Precisely, it's an industry description, not an opinion. It's what we'd call it now, but at the time there was no precedent, certainly not on that scale. You have to understand the industry mindset: they want to do the easy cheap thing that works, they're not original, and they tried for years to figure out how to replicate the Beatles success. The ironic thing is that you really do need a talented, charismatic group of guys, it's akin to finding a really good ensemble of actors. The further irony is that some of these guys are good enough to have their own career, not that the industry cares, that's just a bonus. There's only ever been a few really good boy bands and a ton of lame ones.

I recently read an interesting take on "boy band" criteria - it may have been from Bono, love him or hate him. He said something along the lines that members of most great rock bands meet as friends over time - either through school, or clubs or what have you. Boy band members meet at the audition.

It irks me more than most when I hear the label "boy band" being thrust on The Beatles.

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I don't think the term boy band is a bad thing.

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In a vacuum, I agree. Millions of people spend money on the music - I get that they are popular. But when someone foolishly tries to cram The Beatles into that category, it is laughable.

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So are they a man band ahdn_paul_01

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They are The Beatles. Period.

And to answer U.C.Nothing's question, nope the falsetto doesn't bother me at all. I quite enjoy it on this song.

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They are The Beatles. Period.

And to answer U.C.Nothing's question, nope the falsetto doesn't bother me at all. I quite enjoy it on this song.

The Beatles. Period. has a nice ring to it.

 

I'm fine with falsettos sometimes if it gets to high and lasts for the whole song then I don't like it.

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Annadog40 said

meanmistermustard said
The Beatles weren't a boy band.

So they were a girl band?

They were neither.

They were never a boyband as, like Zig explained, they werent formed by anyone to meet any requirements, a gap in the market or manipulate a fan group(s) (tho all existed and all did happen in time). Record companies didnt want to touch the Beatles even when they were cleaned up and they got in the door thru a hell of a lot of hard work, massive talent, charisma, loyal fans who pushed hard to get them thru, others who pushed the group because they were damn good and different, because Brain had a good reputation thru his business, worked his backside off and wasn't a creep like most others, and a hell of a lot of luck and good timing.

Most boybands have zero or little say in what they do or their image, they generally tow the line and do what they are told; yes Brian helped shape the Beatles image but he never got them to be what they weren't or dress in a way they didn't want to be or release material they didnt like; 'How Do You Do It ' was the only track they professionally recorded that they despised but it was never released.

The Monkees were the first boyband, created in the mold of the Beatles, and they weren't cissies or sang crap songs.

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I don't think the term boy band is a bad thing.

It certainly doesnt have to be, their reputation and legacy should be based on their output not how they were formed or where. However most acts that do come thu nowadays are off the conveyor belt of badly written songs that sound like they were recorded in 5 minutes on a computer before having autotune applied to hopefully cover up the flaws.

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Back on topic, i really like the song and the falsetto line. A nice touch to bring something different to the track. As with 'When I Get Home ' its pure pop filler that blisters along full speed for just over two minutes with me hanging on for dear life loving the ride. 

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Well, this song doesn't grate on me either, but I couldn't understand the short use of falsetto.

The falsettos that I was referring to as grating was the stuff that groups like the BeeGees were doing after the music died (the Beatles' folding) back in the 70s.

I take exception and don't believe that girls really like that. 

I also can't stand whatever that falsetto-screaming thing is that Led Zeppelin started and other groups emulated, either. 

So my opinion differs from others here... but I got a conversation going. 🙂

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I think most simply misunderstood because you carnt spel 'great'.

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I don't mind a quality falsetto. Look at the weird and wonderful thing that Frankie Valli did to Dylan:

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