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trcanberra said

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No secret that I dig this one as well. The music is so damned catchy.

Yes indeed.

Such romantic sentiments as well ūüôā

Whats more romantic than the gesture of being so in love with someone you'd rather they were not alive than with another person. No one bats an eyelid at songs where the singer says they'd rather stop living than lose the love of their life. Think of the emotional, psychological, physical pressure on the lover there.

Bruno Mars whined on about how he'd happily get blown up, stabbed, burnt alive, gunned down, and licked to death by kittens for his girl (two of those may not be accurate tho why the distinction, no real conviction on his part ahdn_paul_01- no wonder she binned him) . Got tons of airplay that song did.

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Yeah - some of the meaning behind some of the lyrics is dated...but I agree with what mmm man says. Take the violence out of it and what do you have? A Paul song.

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This is my fav track from Rubber Soul ... and i don't really see the problem with the lyrics, to me it's just like saying that you don't like 'funny games' beacuse 'it's so violent and it's not fine to do that to other people just for fun...' wich is very right but you know...it's just a movie (or a song in this case)... nothing is real... The music is vey upbeat and has those beatleesque falsetto harmonies and tambourine in it...quite enjoyable to me : )

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Silly Girl's post about If I Needed Someone and Run For Your Life got me listening to this song again, and I confess to have played it more than once as it's really catchy. 

I see this as a dangerously passionate song, but passionate nonetheless. There's an element of passion in every Lennon love song there is. It's like those stories where the man holds his loved one as a possession. I wonder who could've been the subject of this song (if there is one), it would've effed up her mind  when she would've heard it.

However, it's remarkable that he went from this to the confession on "Getting Better " in just two years or less (which a lot of people think is about his behaviour with Cynthia).

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Bruno Mars whined on about how he'd happily get blown up, stabbed, burnt alive, gunned down, and licked to death by kittens for his girl (two of those may not be accurate tho why the distinction, no real conviction on his part ahdn_paul_01- no wonder she binned him) . Got tons of airplay that song did.

 

Catch a grenade for ya... LOL!! Yeah "Grenade" was a big hit for Bruno. 

 

As for Run For Your Life , it's catchy but I always stayed away from it for the most part because of the sentiment the lyrics convey. I will have to listen again and give it another chance.

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I've never gotten this idea that the lyrics are inappropriate. 'I'll Get You ' is little more than a deranged stalker obsessed with getting the objection of his affections and nobody bats an eyelid and posts how they dont listen to it because of the lyrics. The next verse of that if written would probably have featured night-vision goggles, rope and a darkened cellar.

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So is No Reply . It's so stalker-ish, but I guess the lyrics are not as straight forward as Run For Your Life , that's why people give them a pass.

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So is No Reply . It's so stalker-ish, but I guess the lyrics are not as straight forward as Run For Your Life , that's why people give them a pass.

Maybe this is the squeal to no Reply

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So is No Reply . It's so stalker-ish, but I guess the lyrics are not as straight forward as Run For Your Life , that's why people give them a pass.

John's first "that's a lie" line in 'No Reply ' is every bit as threatening as anything in 'Run For Your Life ' but generally passes without comment, John's threats are quite forward in 'You Can't Do That ' as well. I just think its extreme laziness and out of ease that 'Run For Your Life ' is the only one of 4 or 5 tracks that gets a kicking.

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You can't do that gets a bit of kicking as well, but nowhere near as much as Run For Your Life .

Anyway, John said something like he "always hated" it, but I don't think so because when a songwriter brings something to the table to record it, or for it to be considered as recording material, he needs to have some faith in it and like it at one level or the other. He might've hated it retrospectively, but I don't think he hated it so much at that time, or even hated it at all.

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I think John disliked it more for having based the entire song on a line from 'Baby, Let's Play House'.

I never liked Run For Your Life , because it was a song I just knocked off. It was inspired from - this is a very vague connection - from Baby Let's Play House. There was a line on it - I used to like specific lines from songs - 'I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man' - so I wrote it around that but I didn't think it was that important. 

(source: Beatles Bible)

He hated 'It's Only Love ' more, but that has nice lyrics so better to gloss over that.

Here's a new one, a comment posed on songfacts

John hated it because it revealed his sexual ambiguity. Most hear the line "I'd rather see you dead little girl, than to be with another man" as intending to say "than to see you with another man." But, taken literally, John sings that he'd prefer she be dead than for him to have a homosexual encounter. Later, he worked through his homophobia, and became what Yoko Ono called "a closet fag."

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^^^ But that isn't his line, is it? However, John says he liked that line in Baby, let's play house, so who knows how he might've viewed that line?

However, on that note, and I digress a bit, in the podcast that you linked here on the forum, there was this topic about Beatles love songs where there is the speculation (not by the authors, but it has been there before) that If I Fell could have been sung about a bi - "love me more than her". 

However, I think that's reading into it a bit too much.

 

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What isnt his line?

And what's a "bi"?

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bi(sexual). That is a really interesting take on the line "love me more than her".

I'm not sure what LoveUlikeGuitars means regarding the "isn't his line" comment. I will await LULG's clarification.

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 "I'd rather see you dead little girl..."

John didn't write that.

 

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LoveUlikeGuitars said
 "I'd rather see you dead little girl..."

John didn't write that.

Yeah, thats why John disliked it, because he based the entire song on a line he nicked from another song. It meant nothing and said nothing.

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Here's a new one, a comment posed on songfacts

John hated it because it revealed his sexual ambiguity. Most hear the line "I'd rather see you dead little girl, than to be with another man" as intending to say "than to see you with another man." But, taken literally, John sings that he'd prefer she be dead than for him to have a homosexual encounter. Later, he worked through his homophobia, and became what Yoko Ono called "a closet fag."

I was talking about this comment. When John didn't even write that line, how can it reveal his sexual ambiguity?

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LoveUlikeGuitars said
However, on that note, and I digress a bit, in the podcast that you linked here on the forum, there was this topic about Beatles love songs where there is the speculation (not by the authors, but it has been there before) that If I Fell could have been sung about a bi - "love me more than her". 

Maybe it's not a bisexual person, but instead, about a polyamorous relationship where he is feeling insecure that she would like their other partner more than she likes John.

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LoveUlikeGuitars said

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Here's a new one, a comment posed on songfacts

John hated it because it revealed his sexual ambiguity. Most hear the line "I'd rather see you dead little girl, than to be with another man" as intending to say "than to see you with another man." But, taken literally, John sings that he'd prefer she be dead than for him to have a homosexual encounter. Later, he worked through his homophobia, and became what Yoko Ono called "a closet fag."

I was talking about this comment. When John didn't even write that line, how can it reveal his sexual ambiguity?

Right, sorry, with you now. Me being daft and slow. 

The person who wrote it may think that the sub-conscious side of John, either subliminally or deliberately, selected that line because of his homosexuality and wish to reveal it to the world. Or some other such garbage. Whatever way you look at it its utterly stupid. 

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I know I'm sounding like a shill for this podcast, but the timing just seems do damned impeccable.

If you're curious about these songs from another perspective (Run For Your Life , If I Fell , Getting Better , etc.) it's discussed in detail.  The podcast episode is titled (ironically) "Words Of Love ".

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