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22 December 2011
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MeanMrsMustard
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We've got several "overrated" and "underrated" topics -- what about the songs you think that the people/critics/whatever were right about? Songs everyone loved because they were great, and songs that were looked down upon because they were duds. 

For the sake of avoiding a giant hissy fit, I'm going to ask that people not mention "Mr. Moonlight," since it causes quite a bit of Broken Base. I know people who like it and people who hate it. I personally dislike it, but I don't want to cause a war here.

OK, here are my examples:

Good songs: "A Day In The Life," "Rain," the Abbey Road medley, "Nowhere Man," etc.

I can't think of any bad songs right now, but I probably will. 

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23 December 2011
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Through the bathroom window
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I like Nowhere Man, but I know a lot of people who don't. Something to do with being next to "You Won't See Me" on Rubber Soul and both songs featuring "ooh-la-las", which some people believe to be lazy.

MIIIIIIIIIIIIIISTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH MOOOOOOOOONLIGHT!

You all will have read that Dave Dee is no longer with us. But Mickey and Titch and I would like to carry on the good work that's always gone down in number two.
23 December 2011
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Ah, but whose rating are you going to go by to decide if a song is under-,over-, or perfectly rated?

And what parameters do you go by? For example, does the impact of a song (on society, on the rest of the music world, on its reach throughout the world,...) matter? Or is that not relevant?

[you'll find my personal (ever-changing) list at   http://bit.ly/uVIM6L  but you'll surely disagree with half (as will everyone else); that's part of the fun]

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23 December 2011
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Inside an Apple Orchard in a Letterbox
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Well, it's based on our own opinions of - compared to general consensus of - a song's quality; I don't think impact on society is really the point here. As to what "consensus" opinion is, that might be harder to guage. Everybody knows that "A Day In The Life" is universally praised and that "Mr. Moonlight" (which I like) is much-loathed, obviously. But in between those two, there can be surprises: Until I started posting here two years ago, I had no idea that so many people disliked "Run For Your Life" so strongly! I'd heard hundreds of songs with vaguely unpleasant lyrics and never saw it as any big deal, or anything worse than a bit of a throwaway.

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

23 December 2011
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Never understood the distain for Run For Your Life, so what if the lyrics portray a different side of John; its a fantastic song and one George liked.

 

As for songs in the right place, to name but a few: taxman, Words Of Love, Hold Me Tight, when i get home, Fixing A Hole.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

23 December 2011
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John's the only one I've heard really hate it (Yoko made him). And if HE hates it, well then there's some compunction for the rest of us to hate it too.

But I never thought of it as anything more than a fine end-of-an album Beatle song. Good little mid-Beatles years production - trite lyrics and all. (Didn't the Rolling Stones sing "Under My Thumb"? I don't hear any catcalls)

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23 December 2011
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I think John disliked Run For Your Life not because it was a terrible song but because it reminded him a bit too much of his darker side. It's not that good a song anyway, but it's not horrific.

"Now and then, though, someone does begin to grow differently. Instead of down, his feet grow up toward the sky. But we do our best to discourage awkward things like that." "What happens to them?" insisted Milo. "Oddly enough, they often grow ten times the size of everyone else," said Alec thoughtfully, "and I’ve heard that they walk among the stars." –The Phantom Tollbooth
23 December 2011
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One reason John didnt like it was because the first 2 lines were taken from Baby, Lets Play House. Tho according to wiki he regretted writing it. Anyway i love the song and the fact that the lyrics are so dark, a step away from the regular beatle lyrics.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

28 December 2011
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seaglass eyes sunny smile said:

I think John disliked Run For Your Life not because it was a terrible song but because it reminded him a bit too much of his darker side. It's not that good a song anyway, but it's not horrific.

I enjoy Run For Your Life! I agree with a-hard-days-night-ringo-8. I wouldn't say it's the worst song on Rubber Soul but John probably just saw it as an 'album filler'. Other songs I think which are perfectly rated are:

However these are just my opinions, like M3 said, no need for arguments. paul-mccartney

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28 December 2011
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seaglass eyes sunny smile said:

I think John disliked Run For Your Life not because it was a terrible song but because it reminded him a bit too much of his darker side. It's not that good a song anyway, but it's not horrific.

I agree. It's mediocre. It sounds like a song any band at that time could have written. As a Beatles song, it's not very strong.

 

As for the lyrics, well, if they don't bother another fan, fine. Whatever. Me, however, I know what it's like to have a crazy man threaten my life, so pardon me if I don't want to hear the same inexcusable, ugly misogyny in song form, let alone from one of my favorite musicians. I can accept John was human and had his shortcomings--doesn't mean I have to forgive this song.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Gosh, whose rating are you going by?

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28 December 2011
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Theres plenty of threat in You Cant Do That, just more veiled, so why doesnt that get the same strong feelings from fans?

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

29 December 2011
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I suppose because it doesn't have a "dead threat".  But it's definitely about (John's) jealousy issues, as well.

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