Log In

Please consider registering
Guest

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Min search length: 3 characters / Max search length: 84 characters

Register Ranks

Register Lost password?
Avatar
RunForYourLife
153 Posts
(Offline)
1
13 February 2013 - 1.28am

I seem to recall having read in some article (Can't remember where, probably one of the reasons I'm skeptical) that in addition to the usual culprits (strain of touring, studio experimentation, etc.) one of the reasons that the group went in such a different direction with Sgt. Pepper was some negative critical response to "Paperback Writer". I'd never heard of this before, and I can't seem to find any reference to such a thing. Am I to assume that the author of the article was mistaken? (He'd hardly be the first)

Avatar
meanmistermustard

19095 Posts
(Online)
2
13 February 2013 - 11.26am

Were the beatles bothered by criticism by that time, especially by the press? I have the mindset that they were so confident in themselves and what they were doing that that the press reaction didnt matter to them that much. I read somewhere that Paperback Writer entered at number 4 in the UK and climbed to number 1 the next week (if thats true) so criticism might have come from that i suppose (not entering at number 1 so someone thought to have a go at the different sound) but at least 1 paper negitively reviewed She Loves You so it wasnt new to them.

Have searched the net however and found this on The Beatles Biography (no source is given).

There was an abrupt change in direction due to the Beatles' decision to stop touring in 1966. Reportedly stung by criticism of "Paperback Writer", the Beatles poured their creative energies into the recording studio in a determined attempt to produce material they could be proud of. There had already been a clear trend towards progressively greater complexity both in technique and style, but this now accelerated noticeably, as was evident on "Revolver". The subject matter of the post-touring songs was no longer you, I, love, boy meets girl, etc., and this took them very far from the days in 1963 when their material had shown some similarity with, say, the work of The Hollies. Now all manner of subjects were introduced, from home repair and circuses to nonsense songs and others that defied description.

First time ive ever come across anything of that sort and i cant find anything else anywhere.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

Avatar
vonbontee
Inside an Apple Orchard in a Letterbox
2815 Posts
(Offline)
3
13 February 2013 - 5.51pm

Seems to me there was barely any notion of pop music criticism in 1966, or at least not much reason to take it seriously. And "Paperback Writer" itself was pretty substantial, so what kind of criticism could they have reacted to by seeking out more complexity? It seems to me that, by venturing away from simple love songs with simple rock-band instrumentation and production, they were pondering the possibility of leaving their audience behind - at least they were asked if they were concerned about that by at least one journalist.

But who knows, whether it's essentially "true" or not, I can imagine Paul saying something like this, years after the fact. Like for instance, maybe Paul read some negative remark about "Paperback Writer" by some journo, even something as trivial as "This doesn't sound like a hit," and never forgot about it. Then years later, he's reminiscing about recording "Pepper" and mentions how hard they all worked on it, and gives the "Paperback Writer" slight as a reason, just as a kind of throwaway remark in some interview somewhere. Then, the unnamed writer of that "Beatles Biography" article reads that interview and recalls the Paul remark. That seems to me like a plausible scenario.

(Of course, I have to admit that it's the scenario I'd most like to believe, personally. The notion that the band ever recorded music to please anybody but themselves primarily is extremely distasteful to me. One I all but refuse to believe, in fact.)

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

Avatar
Beatlebob63
11 Posts
(Offline)
4
14 February 2013 - 6.27pm

My opinion is there is no truth to any of it, Paperback Writer was written, recorded and performed just as anything else was at the time, in their power and creativity.  They set the times, if anything they played up to the press and the so called coined Beatlemania and made fun of it all even in post performing dayz.  That's what kept them from drug overdoses, and the pressures of fame, they made fun of themselves.

The only song or songs they did for someone else was for Ringo, you must be mistaking the press article regarding THE MONKEES, because with them it WAS true.  They did a version of Pleasant Valley Sunday that knocked everone's sox off when it came to performing their own songs.  Nesmith (and Tork, the most musically inclined out of all of them) put an end to that perception..Hmm...just about the same time as Paperback Writer, 1966....

 

 

 

Ask Me Why?,,,,,,,Well, I'll tell you Why............

Avatar
vonbontee
Inside an Apple Orchard in a Letterbox
2815 Posts
(Offline)
5
14 February 2013 - 7.42pm

Actually "Pleasant Valley Sunday" was a year after "Paperback Writer"...

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

Avatar
RunForYourLife
153 Posts
(Offline)
6
16 February 2013 - 4.43am

"Last Train To Clarksville" was inspired by the fade-out to "Paperback Writer".

Avatar
Monkey Finger
49 Posts
(Offline)
7
17 February 2013 - 3.53pm

Any criticism of PW I've ever read mainly has to do with the song not being substantive, and I suppose it sort of isn't, but I've always loved it (that riff is killer!. To me it's always been one of the most "Beatles-y" sounding tracks they ever did, if that makes any sense. I think its critics see it as the kind of thing L-M were capable of more or less writing in their sleep and therefore didn't/don't take it that seriously.

 

 

Avatar
Beatlebob63
11 Posts
(Offline)
8
17 February 2013 - 5.13pm

Paul was also reflecting on johns poems and In His Own Write being published, it's was kind of like 'good for you mate' since John was very private about his writings that's a lot of what the song is about as well and Paul just wrote about it.

Avatar
Ron Nasty
5564 Posts
(Offline)
9
18 February 2013 - 2.37am

Beatlebob63 said
Paul was also reflecting on johns poems and In His Own Write being published, it's was kind of like 'good for you mate' since John was very private about his writings that's a lot of what the song is about as well and Paul just wrote about it.

John was never, ever, "private about his writings". At school, his handwritten-drawn copies of "The Daily Howl" were passed around. He wrote nonsense pieces for Bill Harry's "Mersey Beat" newspaper on a regular basis, including the most amusing "Being a Short Diversion on the Dubious Origins of Beatles (Translated from The John Lennon)" (worth seeking out), and several pieces that ended up in "In His Own Write". John might have been surprised at the offer of a book deal, but he never hid his writing.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

Avatar
Linde
The Netherlands
2711 Posts
(Offline)
10
18 February 2013 - 4.30pm

I don't really know what to discuss, but IMO Paperback Writer is a bit boring and I don't listen to it too often.

And yeah, it never seemed like John was hiding it.

Avatar
meanmistermustard

19095 Posts
(Online)
11
18 February 2013 - 6.55pm

John went on a few shows to promote A Spaniard In The Works in '65. Thinking about it there are a handful of clips of reading stories from the first two he wrote.

Very funny clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....hec4z-l32k

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

Avatar
Ron Nasty
5564 Posts
(Offline)
12
18 February 2013 - 8.15pm

John's first appearance on Peter Cook and Dudley Moore's Not Only... But Also, was made-up of interpretations of his writing. It is something to behold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....C4ipJdmH2Q

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

Avatar
meanmistermustard

19095 Posts
(Online)
13
18 February 2013 - 8.23pm

John promoting A Spaniard In The Works on the BBC1 show Tonight on the 18th June '65.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....xApnG3JMQY

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

Avatar
Beatlebob63
11 Posts
(Offline)
14
19 February 2013 - 8.09pm

mja6758 said

Beatlebob63 said
Paul was also reflecting on johns poems and In His Own Write being published, it's was kind of like 'good for you mate' since John was very private about his writings that's a lot of what the song is about as well and Paul just wrote about it.

John was never, ever, "private about his writings". At school, his handwritten-drawn copies of "The Daily Howl" were passed around. He wrote nonsense pieces for Bill Harry's "Mersey Beat" newspaper on a regular basis, including the most amusing "Being a Short Diversion on the Dubious Origins of Beatles (Translated from The John Lennon)" (worth seeking out), and several pieces that ended up in "In His Own Write". John might have been surprised at the offer of a book deal, but he never hid his writing.

Yes, I agree, 'private' was not a good choice of words, in what I've read it seemed the overall feel was that he thought they weren't really any good in the early days, just his thing, always writing, drawing cartoons.... I read 'In his Own Write' and was wondering just that if there was a compleat Being a Short Diversion ...." out there, would love to read that one...

Avatar
Ron Nasty
5564 Posts
(Offline)
15
19 February 2013 - 9.07pm

Beatlebob63 said

I read 'In his Own Write' and was wondering just that if there was a compleat Being a Short Diversion ...." out there, would love to read that one...

It can be found at http://www.triumphpc.com/merse.....ious.shtml

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Bongo

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

Avatar
meanmistermustard

19095 Posts
(Online)
16
22 November 2015 - 11.03am

Listening to this yesterday and it hit me just how short the track is - 2 minutes 19 seconds - and it comes across as even shorter due to how fast it goes by. If written nowadays it would be substantially longer.

Nice to see Google is on the ball with the track details. Must be a rare copy of 'The White Album'.ahdn_paul_01

paper.JPGImage Enlarger

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

I was the walrus, Mr. Kite, natureaker, Silly Girl, Zig, Bongo, BeatleSnut

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

Avatar
ewe2
Inside the beat
1606 Posts
(Offline)
17
22 November 2015 - 7.00pm

Yes, it really fit the 2min singles culture.

I'm like Necko only I'm a bassist ukulele synthesizer penguin and also everyone. Or is everyone me? Now I'm a confused bassist ukulele synthesizer penguin everyone who is definitely not @Joe.

Avatar
leoc
18 Posts
(Offline)
18
2 May 2016 - 6.31pm

MacDonald says

"Paperback Writer" offers a jokey lyric reflecting its era of classless ambition: the generation of 'young metors' who in the mid-Sixties rose from provincial and working-class backgrounds to dazzle the heights of British fashion, film and print.

as well as noting the lyrical connection to the Rubber Soul "comedy songs" ("Norwegian Wood", "Drive My Car", and "Day Tripper"). But I think this partly missed the point: it isn't only hot young mid-'Sixties fiction writers or photographers who fit the "Paperback Writer" portrait closely enough to be cut by the satire. An unheralded teenage nobody desperate for success as a lowbrow artist, naively eager to please, showing no obvious promise but mustard-keen to have a go at hacking out anything that could get his foot on the ladder: this is dangerously close to a jaded, unflattering portrait of Lennon and McCartney themselves as they were a few years previously, and there's surely no way that McCartney wasn't self-aware enough to realise it. Put that alongside the fact that it's closely related to "Drive My Car", another song that takes a jab at fame-obsessed strivers, as well as the "based on a novel by a man named Lear" poke at Lennon himself, and the narrator of "Paperback Writer" looks like another Beatles alter ego to go with the Nowhere Man (a self-portrait of Lennon in his fat-Elvis phase), Sgt. Pepper's club band, the animal-headed crew from "I Am The Walrus", and the lounge singers in the "Your Mother Should Know" video.

The following people thank leoc for this post:

Ahhh Girl, Shamrock Womlbs, pepperland
Wigwam
1261 Posts
(Offline)
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea

12430 Posts
(Online)
20
4 June 2016 - 9.37am

^ Lots of good videos in that article.

Forum Timezone: America/Chicago
All RSS Show Stats

Administrators:
Joe
Ellie

Moderators:
Ahhh Girl
meanmistermustard
Zig
Joe

Top Posters:

Starr Shine?: 12288

Silly Girl: 8623

parlance: 7065

mr. Sun king coming together: 6429

Mr. Kite: 6131

trcanberra: 5856

Ron Nasty: 5562

Necko: 5470

mithveaen: 4618

AppleScruffJunior: 4056

Newest Members:

Pauls Grandfather

Sean

markus567r

herseydenvar2

JohnBeatle

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 42

Topics: 4013

Posts: 227929

 

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 87

Members: 3637

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: Zig, Necko, meanmistermustard, Expert Textpert, Ahhh Girl, Starr Shine?, Sugarplum fairy, georgiewood, sir walter raleigh, BeatleSnut, WeepingAtlasCedars
75 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
Today: O Boogie
Upcoming: Amber1965