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13 November 2023
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meanmistermustard said

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Are they going to have to re-release 1?

Is there space to remain a single disc?

  

It runs 78:39 right now. So I’m not sure if they could squeeze in another song. Gonna have to be a 2 cd extravaganza.

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Ahhh Girl said

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Ahhh Girl said

Are they going to have to re-release 1?

Is there space to remain a single disc?

  

It runs 78:39 right now. So I’m not sure if they could squeeze in another song. Gonna have to be a 2 cd extravaganza.

  

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Could maybe efficiently fill two CDs by adding their various #1s from outside the US/UK, since so many countries released their own idiosyncratic choices for singles. (“Michelle “, “All My Loving ” and “Got To Get You…” were all chart toppers in Canada, for example…)

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forn said

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“The Beatles’ Now And Then is UK’s Official Number 1 song in record-breaking return”

https://www.officialcharts.com…..song-recor

* Fastest-selling single of the year to date: 48,600 physical and download sales based on the track’s first 7 days.

* Fastest-selling vinyl single of the century so far: 19,400 copies on vinyl.

I’m a little annoyed that the Beatles haven’t taken the top spot on the Billboard Hot 100, I think that’s what is considered the “official” chart that people consider for records such as this.  I know they have a #1 in digital sales.  Fastest selling is good, but having legs is another.  A lot of people say stuff like this doesn’t matter, but it would still be nice to see the Beatles have a #1 in the US, especially for such an historical event as their last song.

Now And Then was released in the physical formats (7-inch, 12-inch, CD single, etc.) in the US on 10 November, so there is still all to play for in the Billboard Hot 100. apple01

(It was released worldwide for digital download on 2 November, and the physical formats were released in the UK on 3 November.)

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Could maybe efficiently fill two CDs by adding their various #1s from outside the US/UK, since so many countries released their own idiosyncratic choices for singles. (“Michelle “, “All My Loving ” and “Got To Get You…” were all chart toppers in Canada, for example…)

  

Interesting.  Was that the re-release of Got To Get You Into My Life from the ’70s, or was it a rogue Canadian release in the ’60s?

  

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These are all on the ‘Red’ or ‘Blue’ tho. Moving away from a one disc release would kind of lose the point of ‘1’ which was designed to be a single disc get it for £/$10 Beatles greatest hits. 

They could update it on the steaming sites with little cost however.

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forn said

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Could maybe efficiently fill two CDs by adding their various #1s from outside the US/UK, since so many countries released their own idiosyncratic choices for singles. (“Michelle “, “All My Loving ” and “Got To Get You…” were all chart toppers in Canada, for example…)

  

Interesting.  Was that the re-release of Got To Get You Into My Life from the ’70s, or was it a rogue Canadian release in the ’60s?

That would be the summer ’76 single release that coincided with the “Rock n Roll Music” collection, yes. Single was released in the USA as well, but only got as high as #7 on Billboard.

Oh, and it looks like I was mistaken about “Michelle ” – it did hit #1 in a few Euro countries as well as in Aust/NZ, but wasn’t a single in Canada. (Also interested to discover a few smash singles that didn’t quite make #1 here, like “Can’t Buy Me Love ” and “Yesterday ” stalling at #3 and 4 respectively)

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Oh, and it looks like I was mistaken about “Michelle ” – it did hit #1 in a few Euro countries as well as in Aust/NZ, but wasn’t a single in Canada. (Also interested to discover a few smash singles that didn’t quite make #1 here, like “Can’t Buy Me Love ” and “Yesterday ” stalling at #3 and 4 respectively)

It’s always interested me what songs hit #1 on one side of the Atlantic, and failed to hit #1 on the other side.  A lot of Beatles history is written from the British perspective.  Like Penny Lane /Strawberry Fields is known as the single that snapped the Beatles string of #1s in England, but it did hit #1 in the US.  Similarly, The Ballad Of John And Yoko was #1 in England, but didn’t even crack the top five in the US.  I don’t know if that meant that the UK was more interested in John’s public antics, or if the religious reference in the lyrics hurt it in the US.  Also, Something hit #1 in the US but not in the UK.

The last Beatles #1 in the US was The Long And Winding Road , which wasn’t even released as a single in the UK.

Probably the most frustrating chart difference for me was Mull Of Kintyre , which was a massive hit for Paul internationally, but didn’t chart at all in the US, and only hit #44 in Canada.  It’s been said the label didn’t want to promote it in the US, because they didn’t think the subject matter would appeal to Americans.

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

  

 

  

  

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‘Strawberry Fields’ wasn’t a #1 in the US which is why it’s not on ‘1’. I’ve never really understood that since ‘Penny Lane ‘ was and is and it was a double a-side, something about airplay. 

To me it gets a little daft as ‘We Can Work It Out ‘ was a US #1 but ‘Day Tripper ‘ wasn’t yet both are on ‘1’ as it was a UK #1 and that counted sales only, or something.  Yet ‘Please Please Me ‘ isn’t because it didn’t make the top in one specific chart of four which was chosen years later as the official listings. 

Tho it all made everything fit quite nicely on a single CD. Until ‘Now And Then ‘ appeared. 

Don’t Pass Me By ‘ reached #1 in Scandinavia (I think that’s where it was) which would have many questioning life’s meaning if there was an expanded ‘1’. Would get Ringo another vocal tho. I’ve also read that ‘For You Blue ‘ should be on ‘1’ as it was a double ‘A-side’ with ‘TLAWR’, not sure if that’s right tho due to the ‘SFF’ scenario.

When I start thinking about The Beatles it gets me wondering about how neatly arranged (or deliberately unarranged) some of the achievements/moments etc were, things that cannot be planned. But that’s just the human mind trying to find reason when there is none.

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‘Strawberry Fields’ wasn’t a #1 in the US which is why it’s not on ‘1’. I’ve never really understood that since ‘Penny Lane ‘ was and is and it was a double a-side, something about airplay. 

Yeah, they include airplay in how they figure the charts.  But that particular example has always irked me, since I consider Strawberry Fields a much better song and track than Penny Lane .  Nothing against Penny Lane , but Strawberry Fields is one of the very best Beatles tracks, easily top five.

I didn’t know that Don’t Pass Me By hit #1 in Scandinavia (or wherever).  I’ve always liked that song, although I know that isn’t a popular opinion.

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The 1969 Danish chart when ‘Don’t Pass Me By ‘ was #1. It seems an odd choice to release as a single but hey, Ringo had two number 1’s and he wrote one of them. Anyone know if ‘Octopus’s Garden ‘ reached #1 anywhere?

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I think Don’t Pass Me By was intended to be the B-side to Back In The USSR :
45cat entry for Danish single ‘Back In The USSR / Don’t Pass Me By’

There’s a great thread about Beatles songs that made #1 around the world: Beatles #1s

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 By the way, I see Now And Then has entered the Billboard Hot 100 at #7.  Good to see it make the Top Ten at least, but I’m not sure if this bodes too well for it making #1, the charts seem to be dominated by Taylor Swift at the moment (talented lass).  It seems like Now And Then was something that flew off the shelves quickly, as Beatle fans rapidly consumed it, so I tend to doubt that its popularity will continue to grow.  Wouldn’t surprise me to see it drop next week, honestly.  The song has dropped from #1 streaming last week to #28 this week.  For a similar example, the new Stones album has dropped to #33 in only its third week, it peaked at #3.  My guess is that if it were to hit #1, it needed to do it in the first week.

I don’t listen to the radio much, has this song been getting any airplay at all?

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Yeah, I’m not sure the hype for Now And Then can keep up with new releases from the very biggest stars of this generation in Taylor Swift, and now Jungkook of BTS has a new release. I’m rooting for the Beatles but I don’t see Billboard #1 happening. 

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Obviously it will soon disappear since everyone will continue to release their albums and this song has nothing special except that it is the last of the Beatles which is a bit unfair since it does not have the quality, from my point of view, to put the finishing touch to a catalog of a band that, like it or not, has been the most influential of all time.

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Any notion of staying around the top of the charts in any country is wishful thinking. Almost half of the UK sales last week were physical copies and a chunk of the streaming sales would have been curiosity when it was first release, that’s all going to go after week 1 is by. There isn’t the demand or sustainable market for bands like the Beatles or Stones to replicate what Taylor Swift etc are doing, but then again, the 90’s reunion singles quickly vanished out of the charts way back when. It’s mostly streaming and that’s not where the Beatles are at numbers-wise consistently. And I doubt Apple expect any different.

The charts nowadays are a mess anyway with many of the records now being achieved/broken having been done by selling 30 copies. It’s almost impossible to compare to the 60’s so why bother. 

As for ‘Now And Then ‘, I think it’s a fabulous song that holds strong. It shouldn’t be compared to the originals and it isn’t fair to do so. Was listening to all three of the reunion songs last night and its a damn fine song. I’m delighted just to have that.

If before all this came about we were sitting posting we had a strong new Beatles song (even if not up there with great Beatles output) which did well in the charts I think almost everyone would have been pleased. If this is the end of the Beatles new output then I’m satisfied, and delighted for Paul and Ringo.

 

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As for ‘Now And Then ‘, I think it’s a fabulous song that holds strong. It shouldn’t be compared to the originals and it isn’t fair to do so. Was listening to all three of the reunion songs last night and its a damn fine song. I’m delighted just to have that.

If before all this came about we were sitting posting we had a strong new Beatles song (even if not up there with great Beatles output) which did well in the charts I think almost everyone would have been pleased. If this is the end of the Beatles new output then I’m satisfied, and delighted for Paul and Ringo. 

Yes, agreed.

I think Now And Then is a great song: beautiful melody and chord progressions, and the modifications including Paul’s slide guitar and Ringo’s drums work very well. I’m certainly satisfied, and the UK No. 1 achievement is a richly deserved extra reward for everyone concerned.

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As for ‘Now And Then ‘, I think it’s a fabulous song that holds strong. It shouldn’t be compared to the originals and it isn’t fair to do so. Was listening to all three of the reunion songs last night and its a damn fine song. I’m delighted just to have that.

  

I do really like this song.  And having heard the demo, if you had told me that I would like this the best of the three reunion songs, I would have said you were crazy.  But here we are.  One thing they did to really help it was increase the tempo.  I had always compared the original to a dirge, but now the chorus is actually bouncy.  I also like Paul’s slide part (although it sounds nothing like George’s tone) and the 3/4 orchestral ending they’ve put on it.  

As for the charts, the sad truth is there isn’t really a place in radio for ’60s artists to debut new material on.  The oldies charts just play the oldies, and stations that play new music don’t play artists from the ’60s.  

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The Ballad Of John And Yoko was #1 in England, but didn’t even crack the top five in the US.  I don’t know if that meant that the UK was more interested in John’s public antics, or if the religious reference in the lyrics hurt it in the US.  

In Australia, every occurence of the word “Christ” was carefully snipped out for airplay.

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My Now And Then CD has finally arrived.

It occurs to me that the first Beatle record I ever got was the EP The Beatles’ Hits – consisting of From Me To You , Thank You Girl , Please Please Me & Love Me Do – which I received for my eighth birthday almost exactly sixty years ago.

I can’t help thinking that if this is really the last, and again featuring Love Me Do , then this is also like a full circle moment for me personally.

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