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"I've Just Seen a Face" vs. "Yesterday"
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mr. Sun king coming together
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22 December 2010 - 10.17pm

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

What is so unique about the lyrics to "I've Just Seen a Face" that makes you deem it a "very big leap for the band into more mature song writing"?


Well, think about it for a second. Take another song with a similar subject-- "I Saw Her Standing There." They both deal with Paul falling in love with a girl he's just met. In "I Saw...", Paul talks about how she was good looking and single. In "I've Just Seen...", Paul doesn't mention how good looking she is-- in fact, he says, "Had it been another day, I might have looked the other way." So there must have been something there more than just a face. Plus, I feel that he's being deliberately cheeky in "I've Just Seen...". He's not debating the meaning of love: He's just singing about how great she's making his life: "I've been alone and I have missed things and kept out of sight, but other girls were never quite like this."
 

I also like the way he describes how special she is: "I have never known the likes of this... other girls were never quite like this." 

Paulrus said:

I think I've Just Seen a Face and Yesterday go together really well.

I've Just Seen a Face is the sort of hopeful, happy beginning of a relationship, and then Yesterday is when his world has come crashing down, and he longs for how things used to be.

But that's just my two cents a-hard-days-night-paul-5


That's funny. That's how I always saw it. So maybe I'm just more inclined to like songs about the beginning of things, as opposed to the end. 

Von Bontee said:

And hmm...now that I think of it, Paul's "The Night Before" is yet another of his Help! tracks dealing with the recent past, this time an indeterminate number of days. And emotionally it fits right in between those other two: The beginning of a happy relationship, followed by problems and uncertainty, followed by the devastating breakup.


I suddenly had mental images of "The Campaign for the Insertion of 'The Night Before' in Between 'I've Just Seen a Face' and 'Yesterday.'"
 

Fascinating, but I have 1 thing to add: He's only seen the woman, he hasn't met her yet

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22 December 2010 - 10.18pm

I wouldn't say he's only seen her. Where are the clues in the song that indicate it?

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22 December 2010 - 10.20pm

My Bad, He just met her.

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22 December 2010 - 10.22pm

Either way, he doesn't know her that well. a-hard-days-night-george-10

 

 

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22 December 2010 - 10.22pm

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

What is so unique about the lyrics to "I've Just Seen a Face" that makes you deem it a "very big leap for the band into more mature song writing"?


In "I've Just Seen…", Paul doesn't mention how good looking she is– in fact, he says, "Had it been another day, I might have looked the other way." So there must have been something there more than just a face.
 

Von Bontee said:

And hmm…now that I think of it, Paul's "The Night Before" is yet another of his Help! tracks dealing with the recent past, this time an indeterminate number of days. And emotionally it fits right in between those other two: The beginning of a happy relationship, followed by problems and uncertainty, followed by the devastating breakup.


I suddenly had mental images of "The Campaign for the Insertion of 'The Night Before' in Between 'I've Just Seen a Face' and 'Yesterday.'"

 


I've always taken the looked the other way line as something more akin to fate, like he could have been tying his shoe, had his nose in a paper or whatever as she passed by. I like how two people can hear the same line in a song and imagine different contexts. 🙂
 

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Oh, and I've Just Seen A Face –> The Night Before –> Another Girl (tries to forget the original girl) –> Yesterday (and he can't!)

"We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love." — Dr. Seuss

 

 

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22 December 2010 - 10.23pm

Agreed.

 

I Think The Night Before would work well between Face and Yesterday

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22 December 2010 - 10.24pm

Our projects to reorganize Help

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22 December 2010 - 10.26pm

StarWisher said:


a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Oh, and I've Just Seen A Face --> The Night Before --> Another Girl (tries to forget the original girl) --> Yesterday (and he can't!)

That's Even Better


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22 December 2010 - 10.39pm

Your guys's reorginization of Help! seems like it would be very good.

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22 December 2010 - 11.13pm

Going by song titles alone (which we aren't, obviously), putting "Tell Me What You See" directly ahead of "I've Just Seen A Face" is a no-brainer!

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22 December 2010 - 11.15pm

Donèt you mean was

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23 December 2010 - 5.10am

AAAAAnd this thread is officially derailed.

"I now declare this thread derailed." 

Oooh, that could be a signature for Zig. 

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23 December 2010 - 7.09am

Ok I'm going to say my opinion of why Yesterday is more popular than I've just seen a face.

 

The lyrics. Just check Yesterday lyrics. They're just brilliant. Like a poem. A very sad tragic poem yeah but it's still awesome. And they work very well with the music. I'm not saying that I've just seen a face lyrics are dumb… but they aren't as brilliant as Yesterday. You don't need too many words to get the sadness of the singer. I mean just check this line "Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play, now I need a place to hide away, oh I believe in yesterday".

 

Say it as a poem and it works. It's like In my LIfe. It's all about the lyrics and the perfect music to go with. That's why they strike a chord on us.

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

Bop. Bop, cat bop. Go, Johnny, Go.

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23 December 2010 - 11.51am

I think I've Just Seen a Face appeals more to those like me who prefer the Beatley sound. Yesterday appeals to a wider audience. 

You can compare it to two vocalists; Pat Benatar and Josh Grobin. Both have beautifully trained voices and I enjoy them both. Benatar decided to use hers for Rock & Roll and appealed to that audience. Grobin decided to sing more of a classic style and thus enjoys more international success. That might help explain the popularity of Yesterday, but I'll take IJSaF any day.

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23 December 2010 - 1.37pm

Zig, great Post. One Thing, however. What road did they take? I have seen them as taking at least 5 paths, which is what them the Beatles

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23 December 2010 - 5.14pm

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Donèt you mean was


Well, I didn't THINK  I did, but that's the way it turned out!  (Jeez, yet again with the non-refreshed screen sabotaging my posts, grr. That's pretty irritating!)

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23 December 2010 - 5.16pm

Extremely

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I've just seen a face makes me cry.a-hard-days-night-john-4

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

What is so unique about the lyrics to "I've Just Seen a Face" that makes you deem it a "very big leap for the band into more mature song writing"?


Well, think about it for a second. Take another song with a similar subject-- "I Saw Her Standing There." They both deal with Paul falling in love with a girl he's just met. In "I Saw...", Paul talks about how she was good looking and single. In "I've Just Seen...", Paul doesn't mention how good looking she is-- in fact, he says, "Had it been another day, I might have looked the other way." So there must have been something there more than just a face. Plus, I feel that he's being deliberately cheeky in "I've Just Seen...". He's not debating the meaning of love: He's just singing about how great she's making his life: "I've been alone and I have missed things and kept out of sight, but other girls were never quite like this."
 
 

I also like the way he describes how special she is: "I have never known the likes of this... other girls were never quite like this." 

Paulrus said:

I think I've Just Seen a Face and Yesterday go together really well.

I've Just Seen a Face is the sort of hopeful, happy beginning of a relationship, and then Yesterday is when his world has come crashing down, and he longs for how things used to be.

But that's just my two cents a-hard-days-night-paul-5


That's funny. That's how I always saw it. So maybe I'm just more inclined to like songs about the beginning of things, as opposed to the end. 
 

Von Bontee said:

And hmm...now that I think of it, Paul's "The Night Before" is yet another of his Help! tracks dealing with the recent past, this time an indeterminate number of days. And emotionally it fits right in between those other two: The beginning of a happy relationship, followed by problems and uncertainty, followed by the devastating breakup.


I suddenly had mental images of "The Campaign for the Insertion of 'The Night Before' in Between 'I've Just Seen a Face' and 'Yesterday.'"
 
 

Fascinating, but I have 1 thing to add: He's only seen the woman, he hasn't met her yet
 

So true... So true...

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22 May 2011 - 6.39am

I like Yesterday better because it just makes me really happy when I listen to it, I can't really explain why, though!

*20* Yesterday makes George happy, too apparently! a-hard-days-night-george-10

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