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In Spite Of All The Danger
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Them Quarrymen sure showed a lot of promise even back then.  I don't remember any details about the original vinyl acetate, but it sounds like a scratchy old 78rpm or wrinkled flexi-disc.  I remember George saying during one of the 'Anthology' interviews how "I like a bit of tape hiss. personally" and this is the sort of audio quality that he was referring to I think, I don't think that this recording would've quite had the same effect had it been ripped from some "mint" artifact instead.  Both of these tracks are amongst the very best on the 'Anthology' volume and not just because of the posterity aspect, but for the startling musicianship evident by them at such a young age...:-)

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I probably have this around the wrong way but i'm sure the Anthology series has this track and 'That'll Be The Day' in very slightly better sound quality than the cd. I know one is better than the other as some bootleg spliced the two sources together, i think its down to the amount of hiss.

I love the track, its a great ballad with a wonderful youthful John vocal and guitar solo from George still finding his way. Shame Apple had to chop bits out tho. 

I wonder why they chose this track over the others that John and Paul had written like 'I Lost My Girl Girl' and 'Hello Little Girl ' (if that had been written by this time). And also how long they kept performing the track live before they ditched it for others.

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12 November 2014
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meanmistermustard said

I wonder why they chose this track over the others that John and Paul had written like 'I Lost My Girl Girl' and 'Hello Little Girl ' (if that had been written by this time).

I don't believe it was a case of choosing one over the other. I would have to assume that both sides of this record were included due to the historic significance of being their first proper recording.

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12 November 2014
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Zig said

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I wonder why they chose this track over the others that John and Paul had written like 'I Lost My Girl Girl' and 'Hello Little Girl ' (if that had been written by this time).

I don't believe it was a case of choosing one over the other. I would have to assume that both sides of this record were included due to the historic significance of being their first proper recording.

I meant why they chose to record 'In Spite Of All The Danger ' back in 1957 over everything else they had written at that time not why Apple released them in 1995. John was very much the leader back in the day and the one Paul and George looked up to yet here he is singing one of their songs (Paul's lyrics, George's solo) despite having written some of his own. The song is very much a group track which is quite cool.

My mentioning of Apple was just a routine gripe at their handing of many of the 'Anthology' tracks; i haven't done one for a while so it felt required.

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Ah, now I see what you meant. a-hard-days-night-john-3

In that case, I don't have the answer. Perhaps, out of their repertoire, it could have been the easiest or best sounding one they could collectively play.

I agree with you that it is very telling of John's leadership that Paul wrote the song, but John sang lead vocal.

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meanmistermustard said 

I wonder why they chose this track over the others that John and Paul had written like 'I Lost My Girl Girl' and 'Hello Little Girl ' (if that had been written by this time).

Likely because the song is a superior piece when put in juxtaposition with John & Paul's first works, which are very amateurish in comparison, 'In Spite Of All The Danger ' and Buddy Holly's Classic were probably the very best that they had to offer at the time.  John had a "group first" philosophy, especially during their formative years, and wasn't about veto a great song simply because he wasn't in the writing credits.  His performance is very enthusiastic on both tracks, an enthusiasm that's severely lacking on any recordings of 'Hello Little Girl ' that have been heard (I believe I've heard two, the "common" version and an old demo that I believe is from the same 'Hallelujah, I Love Her So' reel).  'In Spite Of All The Danger ' sounds a complete work which much time was probably spent on perfecting back then, 'Hello Little Girl ' never really got this same group treatment from what I've heard...:-)  

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Not much time was spent rehearsing it as a band, according to Colin Hanton and John "Duff" Lowe. They both say that they first heard just before the session, and had a only a quick rehearsal at Paul's, with him telling them what he wanted them to play.

In April 1975 John commented about taking the lead vocal on it:

I was such a bully in those days I didn't even let Paul sing his own song.

Paul, however, threw a new twist into the song's authorship in his Rolling Stone interview earlier this year. Talking about it's use in Nowhere Boy, Paul commented:

Like, this whole idea of the first song we recorded, In Spite Of All The Danger , being John’s ode to his mother. That’s not true, but in a film, it works better. I remember the session, and I remember all the circumstances around that — and we wrote it together. [emphasis mine]

I don't know of Paul saying anything similar before. It has always been Paul's song with George getting a credit for his solo.

Possibly though, and I've nothing to base this on, when coming up to the recording session, John and Paul went through what they'd written up to that point, decided it was, to nick a phrase from George Martin, "the best of a bad bunch," and the two of them polished it up a bit.

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Shame Apple had to chop bits out tho. 

This is the first that I've heard of this travesty (as if the 'Anthology' albums weren't riddled enough with these nuances!), Mr. Kite's video link shows this URL upon completion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....8tobAFqjPY

Is this the unedited version that you speak of?  If so, what was so "unlistenable" that just had to be removed?...:-)
 

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@Billy Rhythm It's a fake.

The Anthology version is said to have had a repeated verse and chorus edited out. Here somebody has edited in a repeat of a verse and a chorus from the Anthology version, in an attempt to fool people into believing they've got hold of something that's never leaked.

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I didn't think that I heard anything different there, but it begs the question that meanmistermustard asks here, what's with all of the censorship Apple?  We Beatlemaniacs can handle the truth...:-)

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The extended outfake of 'In Spite Of All The Danger ' was/is a bonus track on disc one of Purple Chick's boot 'Strong Before Our Birth' and to their credit they do admit in the sleeve notes its a fake unlike many boots that have tried to pass off fakes as real.

Apple edited a lot of tracks released on the 'Anthology' discs; i think they got a new editing tool and wanting to play about with it they got over eager and carried away.

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12 November 2014
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meanmistermustard said

Zig said

meanmistermustard said

I wonder why they chose this track over the others that John and Paul had written like 'I Lost My Girl Girl' and 'Hello Little Girl ' (if that had been written by this time).

I don't believe it was a case of choosing one over the other. I would have to assume that both sides of this record were included due to the historic significance of being their first proper recording.

I meant why they chose to record 'In Spite Of All The Danger ' back in 1957 over everything else they had written at that time ...

@meanmistermustard, Joe's blog post for this song says that they recorded the song in 1958, not 1957. Is there a specific reason you wrote 1957 instead? Am I missing something?

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A combination of a bad memory and not paying enough attention to what i am typing @Ahhh Girl. Apologies.

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Wasn't this recorded in one of those little booths, where ya go in and make a record on the spot? We got one in the mail from the parents around this time. "Oooh, hi kids, we're in London, and we just saw the Beatles." Dunno whatever happened to it.

 This song sounds ripped from something they were listening to at the time.

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MOCKSWELL said
Wasn't this recorded in one of those little booths, where ya go in and make a record on the spot? We got one in the mail from the parents around this time. "Oooh, hi kids, we're in London, and we just saw the Beatles." Dunno whatever happened to it.

 This song sounds ripped from something they were listening to at the time.

@MOCKSWELL No. Though it was recorded in an amateur set-up, Phillips Sound Recording Service, ran by Percy Phillips from his front room.

The inspiration for the song was Presley's Trying to Get You.

The history of the recording is detailed in @Joe's article on the song, which is linked to many times in this thread, whenever it's title - In Spite Of All The Danger  - is mentioned, should you wish to discover more.

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No problem, @meanmistermustard. I'm glad I could help out with some factual knowledge. I'm learning.

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Ron Nasty said

Though it was recorded in an amateur set-up, Phillips Sound Recording Service, ran by Percy Phillips from his front room.

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Percy Phillips in his studio in 1957:
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