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DrBeatle
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9 December 2012 - 4.56pm

I thought the rest of the backward notes in the song were just them randomly fading in and out the loop the solo was on?

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Holsety
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9 December 2012 - 5.01pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....2J9zIuredY

at about 5:50; I would embed it but it's disabled.

He may be mistaken, but I thought that's where the other random notes came from.

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9 December 2012 - 7.22pm

There are 4 mixes out there (UK and us stereo and mono) that have different guitar parts in different places and from what the books say it was due to where the guitar track was faded up and down.

Dont remember hearing what George said before. I thought John went home with a Rain early mix, got it all muddled up because he was stoned and thats how the end of that came about. Never heard it also happened with Im Only Sleeping. Maybe it happened with both.

 

A site called Beatle Books has an article on the song and goes into the solo and all the mixes, you can read that here

 

Belows the clip in question, starts at 5:25.

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9 December 2012 - 8.16pm

Inner Light said

mithveaen said
Thanks for sharing this! It is really interesting to hear. So, what we know is that George recorded the guitar and then they played it backwards? Sorry for my ignorance. a-hard-days-night-paul-7a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Yes and it was George who was innovative and came up with the idea for the backwards guitar solos and not Paul though some have thought it was him.

Wasn't it Johns Rain first song who had backwards? And they did backwards thing with every song after that?

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Holsety
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9 December 2012 - 11.06pm

Long John Silver said

Inner Light said

mithveaen said
Thanks for sharing this! It is really interesting to hear. So, what we know is that George recorded the guitar and then they played it backwards? Sorry for my ignorance. a-hard-days-night-paul-7a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Yes and it was George who was innovative and came up with the idea for the backwards guitar solos and not Paul though some have thought it was him.

Wasn't it Johns Rain first song who had backwards? And they did backwards thing with every song after that?

Rain's vocal track was backwards near the end, but George could have thought of backwards guitar solos.

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9 December 2012 - 11.17pm

They did every song backwards so solo guitar was going to happen for sure :) .

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9 December 2012 - 11.33pm

Inner Light said

mithveaen said
Thanks for sharing this! It is really interesting to hear. So, what we know is that George recorded the guitar and then they played it backwards? Sorry for my ignorance. a-hard-days-night-paul-7a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Yes and it was George who was innovative and came up with the idea for the backwards guitar solos and not Paul though some have thought it was him.

Calm down, nobody was taking anything from George. I don't know how innovative that really was, though, wasn't it John's idea to have the backwards vocals on Rain? It's not that creative to think of backwards guitar solos after having backward vocals on one of your previous records.

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10 December 2012 - 12.58am

Can we not go back down the well worn path of Paul v George v John v Ringo v Pete. Not saying we are there yet but for some reason a lot of threads end up with debates over whether Paul thought up the triangle and that made the song or if it was George or whoever.

 

And isnt there a backwards guitar in Tomorrow Never Knows albeit a tape loop? Actually wiki has it as a backwards guitar solo. Cant remember the session date however so it may have been after the other sessions.

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DrBeatle
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10 December 2012 - 2.06pm

I had read for many years that the backwards solo in TMK was just the solo from Taxman sped up and played backward, but recently I've been reading this wasn't true. Is it a leftover from I'm Only Sleeping?

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10 December 2012 - 4.55pm

unknown said

Inner Light said

mithveaen said
Thanks for sharing this! It is really interesting to hear. So, what we know is that George recorded the guitar and then they played it backwards? Sorry for my ignorance. a-hard-days-night-paul-7a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Yes and it was George who was innovative and came up with the idea for the backwards guitar solos and not Paul though some have thought it was him.

Calm down, nobody was taking anything from George. I don't know how innovative that really was, though, wasn't it John's idea to have the backwards vocals on Rain? It's not that creative to think of backwards guitar solos after having backward vocals on one of your previous records.

That's what I am talking about. It was Johns idea, after that they did everything backwards, and guitar solo was inevitable. 

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Joe
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14 December 2012 - 5.25pm

By coincidence, last night I reversed (ie made forwards) the backwards vocals in Rain, the solo in Tomorrow Never Knows and the main solo in I'm Only Sleeping. If you click through and listen to them you'll be able to hear how they were originally recorded.

The one for I'm Only Sleeping is particularly interesting. It sounds pretty awful forwards (though the TNK one isn't much better), so I'm inclined to believe George really did prepare and rehearse how he wanted it to sound backwards before reversing the notation.

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Von Bontee
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14 December 2012 - 11.38pm

DrBeatle said

I had read for many years that the backwards solo in TMK was just the solo from Taxman sped up and played backward, but recently I've been reading this wasn't true. Is it a leftover from I'm Only Sleeping?

I suspect the TNK solo is outtakes from alternate attempts at the "Taxman" solo. A six-note phrase that recurs three times (with slight variations) in TNK is almost the same as one in the "Taxman" solo.

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20 December 2012 - 12.11am

hello forum. definitely george. fast, tight and country western flavored. what a wonderful discovery. i hear some nasty talk from john towards the beginning.

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Holsety
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21 December 2012 - 9.07pm

Considering I'm still talking about this song, I thought I'd contribute something I found. I never realized this song was inexplicably sped up, or at least it sounds like it.

I feel like they might have overdubbed the electric guitar after they sped it up or something, but the rest of it sounds normal at that speed.

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