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I'll Cry Instead
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5 December 2010
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Which year was the unedited/long version of I'll Cry Instead (2:04) was first heard in the United Kingdom? The 1980s or 2004?

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I don't think I heard it on an official release until I bought an import of the Capitol box set, though it was bootlegged long before that came out.

Why the 1980s or 2004 specifically? The EMI CD version of AHDN here has never had the full version.

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6 December 2010
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You mean the unedited/long version of I'll Cry Instead was only on the US album release called "A Hard Day's Night" like this one?

 

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That was released in the US but not in the UK. The First UK release with the extra verse featured on the American Release of the AHDN and The American Album Something New was the Capital Albums Box set Volume 1. Specifically Disc 3 Entitled Something New

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I guess it was only on the mono edition of that album - I owned "Something New" for a time, and it had the shorter 1:49 version. Isn't it more accurate to call the shorter version the "unedited" one? That extra verse was apparently just a repeat of the first verse artificially spliced in at the end, after all.

Also, I'm probably alone in this, but I wish Richard Lester had used "I'll Cry Instead " rather than "Can't Buy Me Love " for the AHDN fire-escape sequence, as was originally intended. But maybe that's just because I think "Cry" is the better song...

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12 December 2010
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By the way, I'll Cry Instead and Can't Buy Me Love are the same lengths as the chase scene. Right, guys?

12 December 2010
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While I agree that I'll Cry Instead is a better song - at the time AHDN came out Can't Buy Me Love really captured the 

exuberance of Beatlemania.

Just consider the opening lyrics - Can't buy love me, oh! versus "I got every reason on earth to be sad"

Given the positive slant of Can't Buy Me Love versus the blues tone of I'll Cry Instead, I thinkn Dick Lester made the right choice - even though I prefer I'll Cry Instead as a song.

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13 December 2010
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Yeah, and hadn't "Can't Buy Me Love" already been a #1 hit months before the movie was even released? That may have been a factor too.

Also, they had to artificially lengthen "I'll Cry Instead" to match the amount of film footage they wanted to use, so that had to be taken into account too.

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OP:- Do you mean this one? If so, it was first issued on a commercially issued AHDN VHS in the 1980's.

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Number Nine said:

OP:- Do you mean this one? If so, it was first issued on a commercially issued AHDN VHS in the 1980's.

                  


Yeah, it was SUPPOSED to be...but the VHS copy I bought (and still own) never had it! "Over 15 minutes of bonus footage!" claims the box. "Approx. time 108 minutes" claims the box. "Approx. 90 minutes" claims the tape itself, wtf?!  And yeah I bought it new/sealed, so it's not like I bought a used copy of the original inside of the New! Improved! version's box. Weird...

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I have both versions of 'I'll Cry Instead' this is one of my favorite Lennon songs. 

The song with the extra first verse first appeared on the United Artist album 'A Hard Day's Night'. Both the mono and Stereo versions of this album have the extrra verse. there is only a mono mix though of this version. The Stereo AHDN has this version in re channeled Stereo. (It is interesting that United Artists used re channeled mixes for the Beatle songs but all the George Martin Instrumentals are in true Stereo.

Regarding 'Something New', the extra verse is only in the mono version of this album. Buy the way, you also get the version of 'And I Love Her ' on the AHDN album with McCartney's vocal not double tracked as well as on 'Something New'

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I find it interesting that, for this song, John wrote the lyrics;

I've got every reason on earth to be mad
Cos I've just lost the only girl I had
And if I could get my way
I'd get myself locked up today

But I can't so I cry instead

Yet, he laughed derisively at Paul for writing the lyrics in 'A World Without Love';

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Was John creating a double standard here, or did Paul contribute the lines to 'I'll Cry Instead '? Thoughts?

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I think this one may have been lost amidst the recent creation of the rest of the song threads. Any thoughts on my question above?

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I prefer I'll Cry Instead over A world without love. Just Opinion

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Zig said
I find it interesting that, for this song, John wrote the lyrics;

I've got every reason on earth to be mad
Cos I've just lost the only girl I had
And if I could get my way
I'd get myself locked up today

But I can't so I cry instead

Yet, he laughed derisively at Paul for writing the lyrics in 'A World Without Love';

Please lock me away
And don't allow the day

Here inside where I hide
With my loneliness

Was John creating a double standard here, or did Paul contribute the lines to 'I'll Cry Instead '? Thoughts?

@Zig I'm not sure it's a double standard. As far as I can tell John thought the lyrics to WWL were corny (which they are) and a bit embarrassing. ICI was probably a throwaway that he didn't spend much time on, but that verse isn't nearly as cheesy as WWL's.

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Wouldn't surprise me if John "borrowed" the lines to finish off the song, possibly in the knowledge to that Paul was giving it away. Either that or he was looking for something and asked Paul for a line to fit in the gap.

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I think both sets of lyrics were corny and thought it was a bit unfair of John to poke fun at Paul when he used the same lyrics previously. That is what prompted me to ask if perhaps Paul had provided those lyrics to 'ICI'. Then, at least, John's thoughts about the lyrics would have been consistent. Otherwise, it would have been fodder for the Make up your mind, John! thread.

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Zig said
I find it interesting that, for this song, John wrote the lyrics;

I've got every reason on earth to be mad
Cos I've just lost the only girl I had
And if I could get my way
I'd get myself locked up today

But I can't so I cry instead

Yet, he laughed derisively at Paul for writing the lyrics in 'A World Without Love';

Please lock me away
And don't allow the day

Here inside where I hide
With my loneliness

Was John creating a double standard here, or did Paul contribute the lines to 'I'll Cry Instead '? Thoughts?  

An interesting observation, but I think it's a bit of a stretch. It's important for us to remember that those of us here are much more well-versed on the Beatles' lyrics, discography, history, etc. than the Beatles were. My guess is when John wrote "I'll Cry Instead " he came up with lyrics that expressed how he felt in the moment, and more importantly, that fit the rhythm and feel of the chord structure and melody he was playing with. So often, the Beatles - like most songwriters - come up with lyrics that are intended to be temporary, subject to alteration later by a change of heart, or fresh inspiration, or after consultation with their creative partners. So I don't think Lennon put that much thought into these lyrics that would harken back to something he may have said (or later claimed to recollect saying) about a song McCartney had written earlier. John Lennon likely wrote thousands of songs in his life, the vast majority of which never saw the light of day. I'm sure others here could provide more details, but my guess is Lennon may have written this song while sitting on a hotel bed somewhere, under pressure to compose more songs for the next album. I think it's telling that in interviews late in his life, Lennon confesses to having little memory of the composition, and in some cases, the lyrics, and even the titles to the songs he wrote as a Beatle, while McCartney, especially recently, seems to have a much better grasp of the these things. I believe a contributing factor to this is that McCartney has spent considerable time in the last 30-40 years researching and producing Beatles history, particularly the Anthology documentary. Anyway, in the end I believe we tend to read things into the Beatles' creative process that may not have been there. We want to ascribe great import to these songs that have meant so much to us for so many years. But the reality is that many of these songs were whims, hammered out in short time, or under the influence of various substances, and do not represent to their creators the emotional impact that they do to us. I'd be willing to bet the rent that I've listened to the Beatles' recording of "I'll Cry Instead " exponentially more times than John Lennon ever did.

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vonbontee said
Isn't it more accurate to call the shorter version the "unedited" one? That extra verse was apparently just a repeat of the first verse artificially spliced in at the end, after all

While the lyrics to the "extra verse" are the same, it's not "just a repeat"...  I believe that you're correct in that it was "artificially spliced in", but the verse is from a different take of the song...  Yes, it would be "more accurate to call the shorter version the "unedited one"...:-)

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The song was recorded as Section A (takes 1 - 6) and Section B (takes 7 & 8) and then edited together, the mix on the 'AHDN ' soundtrack no doubt to match the length of the section required for the film. So both are edited just in different ways.

 

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