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Honey Pie and When I'm Sixty-Four
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JET!
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6 February 2011 - 4.52am

I really like When I'm Sixty-Four. There's lots of little things in the song that you love over time, like the guitar accents in the last verse, and I think you can hear him starting to laugh... I believe I heard John was trying to make him laugh during recording or something.

 

side note: holy crap, there's a yoko smilie thing? since when? not that she's smiling... yoko-ono-01

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6 February 2011 - 4.27pm

She's been here for roughly a month? She looks serene.

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6 February 2011 - 5.08pm

As serene as she's going to be, I guess.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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31 October 2014 - 2.44pm

I don't think either of these songs are cheesy.

I prefer Honey Pie because it is a marvellous tribute to vaudeville music. I think it demonstrates Paul's ability to absorb any music from any era and turn it into a lovely Beatles song. We see more examples of this in The White Album in Helter Skelter and Rocky Raccoon

Both songs make me feel happy and are a joy to listen and maybe even dance to. That is all that I look for when it comes to these songs so i consider any criticism invalid.

 

Sorry to open up an old can of words but I have loved both these songs from a very young age so felt it must be said that they are great and I love them. 

'No sign of love behind the tears'
'Nothing's gonna change my world'
'If you take a walk i'll tax your feet'
'I get high with a little help from my friends'

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31 October 2014 - 2.48pm

I like both of the songs here. When I'm Sixty-Four is a song that a grew up with.

she was the sun, burning bright and brittle and,https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

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31 October 2014 - 2.59pm

My earliest memories are in a car with 'Your Mother Should Know' on.

The song still gives me chills today because of this.

'No sign of love behind the tears'
'Nothing's gonna change my world'
'If you take a walk i'll tax your feet'
'I get high with a little help from my friends'

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31 October 2014 - 6.45pm

I love both of these songs.  

 

Ugh, that part of Honey Pie though (1:39) where Paul goes "yeeeah.."  It just makes me swoon, I don't what it is!  a-hard-days-night-paul-7  He's just says it in such a way..

 

Now, what about Wild Honey Pie?  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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31 October 2014 - 6.47pm

LongHairedLady said
Now, what about Wild Honey Pie?  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

I don't like that song the vocals don't sound good to me

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31 October 2014 - 6.51pm

Annadog40 said

LongHairedLady said
Now, what about Wild Honey Pie?  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

I don't like that song the vocals don't sound good to me

Could be because they're screaming them?  a-hard-days-night-george-10

I don't go out of my way to listen, but when it comes on it does make me chuckle. 

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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31 October 2014 - 7.53pm

Just noticed this thread-  Honey Pie is a great song!   Anyone that doesn't get it should do like me and turn up the bass in their car and pom pom along.  See how long it takes you to get it right!   I'm not a musician but I think it's the layers of interest in Beatles songs that have kept them going for all these years.  That's why some classical music endures, a nice tune complicated nicely.     

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31 October 2014 - 8.49pm

I really like 'Honey Pie' as i really like that type of music, it sweeps me away to a luxurious place. One of the best types of music to listen to outside whilst sitting in the shade as the baking sun beats down. The change to the old vinyl sound for that one line is stupendous and i love John's solo which George described wonderfully - "It was one of them where you just close your eyes and happen to hit all the right notes--sounded like a little jazz solo.". 

'When I'm Sixty-Four' on the other hand i've never really gotten into. Not sure why but its always lacking something when i hear it whilst Paul comes across whilst singing it as too smirky for me. Having said that i do adore his Scottish pronunciation at "grandchildren on yur near". Plus the clarinets isolated are gorgeous and so much fun.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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31 October 2014 - 9.32pm

Same as mmm^, I really like Honey Pie but WI64 is 'meh' to me, if you study music for your Leaving Cert here you have to study 'She's Leaving Home' The Sgt. Pepper's theme and WI64. Everyone I've talked to hates WI64, thinks SHL is boring and that SP is great. 

 

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31 October 2014 - 10.59pm

In my short time here I've noticed that I almost always agree with @meanmistermustard 's views. :-)   but I can't hear any Scottish accent in When I'm Sixty Four.  I really notice (and love) regional accents here in the UK but I just can't hear that one.  I have no problem in being corrected though (especially by Liverpudlians or Scots!) because I have never lived any further North in England than London.

I can hear that Paul likes to put a bit of his original 'Scouse' accent into his songs occasionally.  You can hear the odd exaggerated phrase in the banter between John and Paul in Anthology but perhaps a less obvious example in the actual songs is the way Paul says word 'market' (the first time round) in O-bla-di-bla-da.  You can hear a ch sound instead of the hard 'K' sound more familiar to us outside Liverpool. 

Back to the When I'm Sixty Four thing.  I was once woken up at about 4am by an excellent BBC TV Open University programme for music students about the construction of WISF.  Maybe it's already common knowledge here, but I'm sure it can probably be found online somewhere.  I can't say I fully understood the technical side but I got it generally. 

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1 November 2014 - 12.26am

@Sugarplum fairy, not sure how best to highlight it. Its very clear on the isolated lead vocal but thats not on youtube, the best there is vocals, piano and partial clarinet, see if you can hear it at around the 1:55 mark. Compare it with the mad scottish teacher at the end of 'Another Brick In The Wall' (at 3:33). Or just for the fun of it how about 'Donald Where's Yoor Troosers' (i bet no one saw that cominga-hard-days-night-john-6).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....DJflQfNUE8

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1 November 2014 - 1.27pm

That's one part of When I'm Sixty-Four I've always noticed. He's kind of rolling the r, and he pronounces it like MMM typed it.

He's not doing the accent for the whole song though, maybe that's what's confusing you @Sugarplum fairy. Unless I'm not hearing it anywhere else, I think it's just on that word in that line.

"Grandchildren on your knee."

I agree that I'm never overly thrilled by the song, but I do enjoy that line!

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1 November 2014 - 2.07pm

Just listened to it and now you've pointed it out it's there as plain as day!  I can't believe I didn't notice it before.  I must admit I'm quite interested in the musical side of that song but I'm usually pushing the 'next track' button to hear that great guitar bit at the beginning of Lovely Rita' so I don't listen to it that much. 

This really sums up the Beatles music doesn't it?  You can listen for forty seven years (in my case!) and there is still something new to hear. 

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Sugarplum fairy said

Just listened to it and now you've pointed it out it's there as plain as day!  I can't believe I didn't notice it before.  I must admit I'm quite interested in the musical side of that song but I'm usually pushing the 'next track' button to hear that great guitar bit at the beginning of Lovely Rita' so I don't listen to it that much. 

This really sums up the Beatles music doesn't it?  You can listen for forty seven years (in my case!) and there is still something new to hear. 

I think that's what keeps us all so entertained! There are so many subtle things that it's like a treasure hunt listening to the same songs.

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1 November 2014 - 6.05pm

There are always new things to discover. I'd listened to 'Good Morning, Good Morning' for years but it was only after @fabfouremily pointed it out to me that at the end they start singing "guten morgen, guten morgen". Who the hell starts singing in German during the closing of a song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....gMA_easOkA

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1 November 2014 - 7.40pm

Ha! another good one!  I suppose the German language must have been in their minds from the Hamburg days.  The isolated tracks have certainly thrown up some new stuff.  If you listen to a single Beatles song enough you will certainly hear something new. 

I've been trying to copy Paul's guitar playing on Mother Nature's Son and Blackbird for the Beatles Bible Band, and every time I think I've got it all sounding pretty good, I hear some little nuance he plays and then I realize how far away my version is and then it's back to the drawing board!  He truly is a melodic genius.  The things I notice most are the lovely tone his guitar always has and the sheer evenness of his playing.  So maybe I should listen to When I'm Sixty Four more often. 

Did anyone see the Alan Aldridge illustration of that song?  (The Beatles as he imagined they would be at 64)  I remember we had the book in the sixties.  I think they were in their thirties back then.

Here it is-  He got George and Ringo about right but John and Paul, well... :-)

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres.....;ndsp=11 

 

  

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meanmistermustard said

There are always new things to discover. I'd listened to 'Good Morning, Good Morning' for years but it was only after @fabfouremily pointed it out to me that at the end they start singing "guten morgen, guten morgen". Who the hell starts singing in German during the closing of a song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....gMA_easOkA

I never noticed it either! Then I was singing it for Rock Band and it wanted me to sing Guten Morgen!

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