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23 January 2015
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The Cast Iron Shore was the nickname for the banks of the Mersey in an area of south Liverpool where there was an iron foundry

This is what I and Wikipedia thought but according to Lewisohn it’s after St Michaels church, which is partly built of cast iron. Additionally the links Wikipedia rely on no longer exist and the site nowhere mentions an iron foundry.

I’d be interested in the Lewisohn quote if you have it, but have to say that I respectfully disagree with whatever logic he has used to come up with it.

From my ebook of Tune in: The Beatles: All These Years:

The Cast Iron Shore was in St. Michael in the Hamlet, situated just beyond the Dingle, heading toward Aigburth. A steep cliff showed children down to the banks of the tidal Mersey, a fatal but popular playground for more than a century. People assumed its name derived from the flotsam and jetsam of shipping washed up on the shore, but actually it was from St. Michael parish church, part-constructed of cast iron. Today, Otterspool Promenade and the site of Liverpool’s International Garden Festival in 1984 cover the Cazzy’s history, but the church is still open.

He doesn’t give a source.

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Ahhh Girl said (quoting a newspaper article)

the church is, with the exception of the walls, roof, and the existing floor and the woodwork of the pews, entirely constructed of cast iron,

Without walls, roof, and floor, would it be a building?

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ahdn_paul_06 Well you can have a room without a roof so I would still count it.

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ahdn_paul_06 Well you can have a room without a roof so I would still count it.

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roofahdn_ringo_09

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@castironshore, seeing your username reminds me of the conversation about the Cast Iron Shore that we had in this thread. I hope you enjoy reading it.

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Not sure how I feel about them referencing their past works (kind of corny, in my opinion).  But this is a good rock song nonetheless.

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Was it common for artists back then to reference their past songs in lyrics? Just a thought as I haven’t a clue.

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Derek_Francis said
Not sure how I feel about them referencing their past works (kind of corny, in my opinion).  But this is a good rock song nonetheless.

Does this apply to their other reference song?

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This song is the the first evidence I present when trying to prove that John Lennon is a creative genius. Everybody knows of the Paul is Dead speculation, and poof, John writes a ‘clue song.’

I love this song because of how interesting and weird the lyrics are, and the “oh yeah!” that transitions the verse to the chorus.

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Great song.  Play it loud, play it proud ! apple01apple02

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Great song.  Play it loud, play it proud ! apple01apple02  

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sir walter raleigh said
This song is the the first evidence I present when trying to prove that John Lennon is a creative genius. Everybody knows of the Paul is Dead speculation, and poof, John writes a ‘clue song.’

The Paul Is Dead myth didn’t start until after this song came out. John’s intentions were not to drop a clue that Paul was dead. This is what John said about the line: “Well, that was a joke. The line was put in partly because I was feeling guilty because I was with Yoko and I was leaving Paul. I was trying – I don’t know. It’s a very perverse way of saying to Paul, you know, ‘Here, have this crumb, this illusion – this stroke, because I’m leaving’.”

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The Paul is dead rumors hadn’t become widespread, but do you not think that some of the tidbits were intentional?

Paul is not dead, but all of the clues can’t be a coincidence. I think John was having fun with it the whole time. Part of his genius. 

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sir walter raleigh said
The Paul is dead rumors hadn’t become widespread, but do you not think that some of the tidbits were intentional?

Paul is not dead, but all of the clues can’t be a coincidence. I think John was having fun with it the whole time. Part of his genius.   

No, I do not think that some of the tidbits were intentional unless they came after the Paul Is Dead hoax started. And if that was John’s intention, then why would he have never admitted to that? John once said that it could have just as well been “the fox terrier is Paul”, which means that “the walrus” has no secret meaning.

Also, none of the clues are a coincidence. People used what they had to make the most out of their argument. The clues were not placed by The Beatles (with the possible exception of How Do You Sleep?); the clues were created by the fans who made them up.

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Then how do you explain all of the direct references to clues within the song? I do think Lennon was intentionally messing with fans. Obviously the clues are fabricated by fans, but how can you rule out for sure that Lennon was playing games? It definitely isn’t out of character.

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He put it in there to mess with fans who overanalyze Beatles songs.

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Then how do you explain all of the direct references to clues within the song? I do think Lennon was intentionally messing with fans. Obviously the clues are fabricated by fans, but how can you rule out for sure that Lennon was playing games? It definitely isn’t out of character.  

There was no Paul Is Dead hoax yet, so why would he be putting clues in the songs for a hoax that did not exist? That does not make sense. You really think that when he sat down and wrote that song he thought to himself “I’m going to put a bunch of clues in this song about Paul being dead because maybe one day there will be somebody who spreads a rumor around saying that”? 

The reasons there are so many “clues” within the song is because the people who made up the clues for the hoax decided to find them in that song, NOT because John Lennon put them there. 

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sir walter raleigh said
This song is the the first evidence I present when trying to prove that John Lennon is a creative genius. Everybody knows of the Paul is Dead speculation, and poof, John writes a ‘clue song.’

I love this song because of how interesting and weird the lyrics are, and the “oh yeah!” that transitions the verse to the chorus.  

Also the strings arrangement fits really well. The ending is kinda “what??” But it goes really well with the surrealistic lyrics and ambience.

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John received a letter from a Quarry Bank student (his former school) who told him how they were now analysing his lyrics in class. John wrote the song in response to that letter, thinking of teachers still at the school who’d been there while he was. John’s thought was along the lines of “Analyse this, you feckers!” This is why there are Liverpool references in the song, and references to previous Beatles’ songs. He had already been questioned about the Walrus, and so that was an obvious one to work in, and he decided to tip the hat to Paul with it.

Show me that John had any knowledge that in some obscure tribes the Walrus is a symbol of death, and was foreseeing the PiD myth a year ahead of it happening.

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