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Editing songs, ok or not ok?
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15 September 2012
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I don't often edit songs that are in my collection. There's usually no need to, especially with The Beatles. Though one song in particular I have edited. A Day In The Life.

 

http://soundcloud.com/jack-161.....n-the-life

 

I really don't care for that part. Honestly, it's kind of scary.

 

I don't really think it's too big of a deal to make little edits, what do you guys think?

15 September 2012
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Awhh, why would you do that? Yes, the part that comes right after "-turn you on" is a bit freaky, but it adds to the ambience, I like it. Of course, if it's in your best interests and you want to edit songs to suit your tastes ( as long as you don't spread them around and claim them to be the original version), why not, go for it. Personally I would feel like I was cheating on the Beatles if I did that, but that is just me

15 September 2012
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If a fan cuts it down for themselves then fair enough, thats up to them, just dont peddle it off to anothers as something else. I dont get why it would be done tho. 

If the record company or a bootleg edits a song down then i'll get annoyed - give me the full thing. It can be good (Helter Skelter on A3 is done well tho i'd still prefer to have it complete & i'd rather listen to the complete Oh Darling from the Get Back sessions over the incomplete Anthology cut) or bad (Not Guilty which is terribile editing and is never played - the full length track is so so so so much better). Some individual edited together (reconstructed) all the parts of You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) together (cv and A3) and its actually pretty good to hear it that way.

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15 September 2012
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To be honest I always skip that part, it was revolutionary in those times and all but when I wouldn't mind having edited version, especially if I tend to listen it in car or via headphones. If I would want to show a song to someone, of course I would always show full version a-hard-days-night-george-10.

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15 September 2012
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I wouldn´t do it but I think it´s Ok. (Unless it´s a crucial part of the song, good or bad, in which case you´re just killing it imo).

About bits of songs that we´re not keen on though, the fade-out fade-in of Strawberry Fields Forever. What are those noises at the end? I don´t like them at all. Still, all I do is turn the song off before it gets to that point, I wouldn´t bother editing it out.

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15 September 2012
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You've lost your everloving mind for editing that out. That is A Day In The Life right in that section. You're crazy.

I have no objection to editing songs, but you need to consider what you're editing much more clearheadedly.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

15 September 2012
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It's like slashing the Mona Lisa to give her a better smile.

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15 September 2012
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Couldn´t be put in a better way.

Whether you like the song as it is or not, A Day In The Life is a masterpiece so I don´t think it should be edited but each to their own and all that.

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16 September 2012
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Alright, the room seems a little divided on this. Some think it's no big deal (for personal use) other say it's heresy.

 

I probably wouldn't have bothered editing if it didn't go on for what feels like 30 minuets. Like LJS said, if I didn't have the edited version I'd probably just skip over it each time. Who knows, maybe I'll change my mind one day.

 

I guess I just like to edit songs for fun (for the record, this is the only Beatles song I've done this for) to see how seamlessly I can make it (like the transition from "Polythene Pam" to "She Came Through The Bathroom Window").

16 September 2012
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Although I don't like editing songs (See Oh! Darling on Anthology 3) I have to say you've done a brilliant job at it. It transitions seamlessly and the edit point is barely noticeable.

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16 September 2012
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Ok i listened to it eventually and whilst i stand by it being up to fans to do as they wish i dont like that at all. Why anyone would cut out such a crucial part of a piece of work is beyond me. I feel like i should be banging my head against the wall. Im puzzled by such an action, bordering on speechless.

And the edit is clear is day, how anyone cant hear where it jumps is just as strange.

 

Im going to have to listen to the full song.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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17 September 2012
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Don't you mind uploading the whole song with edited part? It will be good for car so I don't have to lower the sound when that part comes up :) .

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17 September 2012
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I created my own version of "Psycho" with the shower scene edited out. I really don't care for that part. Honestly, it's kind of scary.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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17 September 2012
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This!

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17 September 2012
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I have edited my version of I Am The Walrus (the version from Love, actually) so that it transitions smoothly into Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (reprise). I meant to do it with It's All Too Much, but I Am The Walrus works as well. This is for my album of songs released or written in 1967- I had been using Good Morning Good Morning as the 12th track of 14 just for the transition, but I wanted to use It's All Too Much instead.

Non-Beatles, but I have also edited Suburban War by Arcade Fire. It's quite a botched job, but I prefer it to the original.

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17 September 2012
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Speaking of editing and "It's All Too Much", are there any other Beatles songs (aside from the stuff on the Anthologies) that were edited before release?

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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17 September 2012
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There are quite a lot of songs that are edits of different takes or have edit points, to name a few I Call Your Name, She Loves You, Please Please Me. I'll Cry Instead was an edit of two sections (which explains why there is an extra verse on the US AHDN soundtrack). Dont Pass Me By and Sexy Sadie were both edited before release (the unedited takes are available on bootlegs). You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) was created from 5 separate parts.

 

Basically there are tons.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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Obvious one- Strawberry Fields Forever is two completely different takes mixed together.

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17 September 2012
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meanmistermustard said
Ok i listened to it eventually and whilst i stand by it being up to fans to do as they wish i dont like that at all. Why anyone would cut out such a crucial part of a piece of work is beyond me. I feel like i should be banging my head against the wall. Im puzzled by such an action, bordering on speechless.

And the edit is clear is day, how anyone cant hear where it jumps is just as strange.

 

Im going to have to listen to the full song.

I didn't mean that I didn't notice that the orchestra bit was missing, I meant that he made the beginning and end blend so well together that anyone who hadn't heard the song before wouldn't know there was an edit.

 

Personally I think everyone is getting a bit to worked up about this edit. Leave him be. It isn't like he saying that the orchestral bit is bad or it doesn't deserve to be there, he just thinks it's a bit scary. If he wants to edit out the orchestral bit, then let him. It's his preference, and getting annoyed, or angry by what someone prefers is silly.

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17 September 2012
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Thanks for the answers everyone! I should've specified I was referring specifically to finished songs with a piece edited right out, rather than things sewn together from different takes.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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