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I can hear the similarities.

What’s up with Rod’s hammy acting, makes for a painful uncomfortable view. Great song tho. 

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Ron Nasty said
I was reading today the John considered the melody of Rod Stewart’s The Killing of Georgie (Part II) was ripped off from this, “the lawyers never noticed”.

I can see what he means. What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…..QBBc#t=274

I always thought that was common-knowledge pointing it out to my first wife…..but never considered before why John didn’t sue. Or at least more fuss being made at the time by DJ’s and others. Perhaps John didn’t want to say, ‘he was bigger than Rod and then there’s be all that’

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The Beatles themselves do not seem to have big suers, @Wigwam. Think about George not going after Paul Weller for the obvious similarities between Taxman  and The Jam’s Start. Perhaps because John (Come Together ) and George (My Sweet Lord ) had been on the receiving end they didn’t want to put other artists through what they’d been through. Plus, it wouldn’t have been John that sued, though he would have been drawn into it, but ATV Music who owned the copyright.

I suppose that explains John’s comment about the lawyers not noticing. And remember, it was John who warned Neil Innes (whoever he is!) not to include Get Up and Go on The Rutles original soundtrack album because it was too close to Get Back  (not that it stopped ATV going after Innes).

In those days it wasn’t usually the songwriters that went after other acts for plagiarism, but the music publisher.

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Ron Nasty said
The Beatles themselves do not seem to have big suers, @Wigwam. Think about George not going after Paul Weller for the obvious similarities between Taxman  and The Jam’s Start. Perhaps because John (Come Together ) and George (My Sweet Lord ) had been on the receiving end they didn’t want to put other artists through what they’d been through. Plus, it wouldn’t have been John that sued, though he would have been drawn into it, but ATV Music who owned the copyright.

I suppose that explains John’s comment about the lawyers not noticing. And remember, it was John who warned Neil Innes (whoever he is!) not to include Get Up and Go on The Rutles original soundtrack album because it was too close to Get Back  (not that it stopped ATV going after Innes).

In those days it wasn’t usually the songwriters that went after other acts for plagiarism, but the music publisher.

Except themselves: Paul sued John, George and Ringo; George threatened to sue Ringo; George, Ringo and Yoko sued Paul.

 

In December 1970 Dirk sued Stig and Nasty, Barry sued Dirk, Nasty sued Stig and Barry, and Stig sued himself accidentally. It was the end of a golden era, and the beginning of another one for lawyers everywhere.

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Ron Nasty said
The Beatles themselves do not seem to have big suers, @Wigwam. Think about George not going after Paul Weller for the obvious similarities between Taxman  and The Jam’s Start. Perhaps because John (Come Together ) and George (My Sweet Lord ) had been on the receiving end they didn’t want to put other artists through what they’d been through. Plus, it wouldn’t have been John that sued, though he would have been drawn into it, but ATV Music who owned the copyright.

I suppose that explains John’s comment about the lawyers not noticing. And remember, it was John who warned Neil Innes (whoever he is!) not to include Get Up and Go on The Rutles original soundtrack album because it was too close to Get Back  (not that it stopped ATV going after Innes).

In those days it wasn’t usually the songwriters that went after other acts for plagiarism, but the music publisher.

Except themselves: Paul sued John, George and Ringo; George threatened to sue Ringo; George, Ringo and Yoko sued Paul.

 

In December 1970 Dirk sued Stig and Nasty, Barry sued Dirk, Nasty sued Stig and Barry, and Stig sued himself accidentally. It was the end of a golden era, and the beginning of another one for lawyers everywhere.

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Oh and Apple sue anyone who even look like they might infringe on the Beatles name.

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When I said The Beatles were not big suers, it was purely in relation to plagiarism.

The simple fact remains that John could not have sued Rod because John did not own the copyright to Don’t Let Me Down . He, or Paul (they were jointly credited for the song), could have gone to ATV and asked them to sue with their backing and co-operation. Neither did, nor George over Taxman /Start. While they may have been happy to sue each other, it was each other they sued.

Apple did not really start getting litigious until after they’d stopped suing each other in the ’80s.

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Ron Nasty said
When I said The Beatles were not big suers, it was purely in relation to plagiarism.

The simple fact remains that John could not have sued Rod because John did not own the copyright to Don’t Let Me Down . He, or Paul (they were jointly credited for the song), could have gone to ATV and asked them to sue with their backing and co-operation. Neither did, nor George over Taxman /Start. While they may have been happy to sue each other, it was each other they sued.

Apple did not really start getting litigious until after they’d stopped suing each other in the ’80s.

I suppose if the Apple lawyers are getting paid they might as well do some work and if they have run out of ways to sue each other then its only natural to look outward. After a while the boredom kicks in and you think “ok, I really must do something to make this day meaningful”. Anything goes at that point as you only have a short period of time before you have to think about going home for the day and all those biscuits and coffee granules will only go to waste if you don’t indulge yourself.

Maybe it’s also no coincidence that around the same time Apple could start vetoing any Beatles release that was suggested.

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“It’s a love that has no past”

Does that mean John didn’t have to marry her because he got her pregnant and had to do his manly duty? Probably not. ahdn_paul_02 What do you think it means? Or is it just a line to have something to rhyme with “last”?

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Does that mean John didn’t have to marry her because he got her pregnant and had to do his manly duty? Probably not. ahdn_paul_02 What do you think it means? Or is it just a line to have something to rhyme with “last”?  

It means that John could buy himself a new swimming pool.

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“It’s a love that has no past”

Or is it just a line to have something to rhyme with “last”?

I think there’s a little more to it than that, 

Does that mean John didn’t have to marry her because he got her pregnant and had to do his manly duty? Probably not. ahdn_paul_02 What do you think it means? 

although perhaps not quite as much as all that. 

I think it’s sort of in the same vein as In My Life : ‘Though I’ll never lose affection/ for people and things that went before […] in my life, I love you more.’ I’ve often thought of In My Life as a Yoko-love-song, even though he wrote it before he met her, but then again he did claim that he dreamt of someone like her for years… Ahhh, Gerrrrherrrl… a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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Ahhh Girl said
“It’s a love that has no past”

Does that mean John didn’t have to marry her because he got her pregnant and had to do his manly duty? Probably not. ahdn_paul_02 What do you think it means? Or is it just a line to have something to rhyme with “last”?  

I’ve always seen it as John saying the love between Yoko and himself was a) a total fresh start, b) very much in the present (nothing from before came into their wanting to be with each other and actually being together) and c) timeless. It was very much johnandyoko.

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Ahhh Girl said
“It’s a love that has no past”

Does that mean John didn’t have to marry her because he got her pregnant and had to do his manly duty? Probably not. ahdn_paul_02 What do you think it means? Or is it just a line to have something to rhyme with “last“?  

That.  I would bet that John himself would be the first to agree that his lyrics were not always grounded in profundity. Plus, rhyming can be an intractable tyrant; many song writers have complained about the iron bonds of rhyming; Paul Simon used to call himself “Rhymin’ Simon.”

EDIT:  Ask @Zig how much of a struggle it is to conjure meaningful rhymes in his brilliant parodies.  (Rhymes with dare to please?)

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I’m in love for the first time
Don’t you know it’s gonna last?
It’s a love that lasts forever
It’s a love that had no past

Isn’t it had? That’s how I hear it.

Either way, I’ve always interpreted this pretty much as mmm did above. Fresh start, no baggage, always looking forward. Even if “past” was a convenient rhyme as suggested above, I could envision John smiling at the perfect coincidental fit to the message. Sheer poetry, the lucky bugger.

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The other day, I was listening to Past Masters for the first time in a while. My ears ran across this song, and even though I’ve never paid too much attention to this track — usually thinking of it as ‘just another Beatles song’ — it struck me how good it is. Just a little b-side, nothing special, something to pad out space on the flip side of a good record, to tide you over between LPs… yet it’s got that searing Lennon vocal and clean grooves from Billy Preston and it’s really tight. Just another Beatles song, just the Fab Four being awesome again… and again… and again… a-hard-days-night-paul-7

I find that with the Beatles (no pun intended), it’s really easy to forget how good any particular song is if you haven’t heard it in a while, because they’re all so damn good. beatlemaniacs_02_gif 

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I like this song.

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George’s arrangement is brilliant

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I’ve always been struck by the bass, it’s got its own rhythm, sort of syncopated.  I can’t think of anything else like it.  I’d love to hear it isolated.  (And about 10 minutes long!)

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George’s arrangement is brilliant  

I agree. I like the slidey guitar, and how it compares to the “ooh she done me” lyrics. The guitar arrangement kind of feels like giving yourself up completely to another person, which is the point of the song.

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Don’t Let Me Down is a wonderful song, fantastic performance.

Does it make anyone else cringe a little to hear newly-separated John sing about being “in love for the first time?” 

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