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Do you prefer Beatles originals or covers?
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mr. Sun king coming together
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29 January 2011 - 7.42pm

As You know the first few Albums had a sprinkling of Covers, due to a lack of Lennon-McCartney songs. On The First 5 Albums (Including the Long Tall Sally LP), Which do you prefer? I say Covers

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MeanMrsMustard
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29 January 2011 - 8.08pm

It depends. There are some really good covers ("Money," "Till There Was You," and "Twist And Shout," for example), but there are some really bad ones too. ("Mr. Moonlight," etc.) 

And don't forget the awesome originals: "I Saw Her Standing There," "Please Please Me," "There's a Place," etc. 

As a whole, I like the Lennon-McCartney originals best. 

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29 January 2011 - 8.10pm

I like Mr. Moonlight, and Why Does everyone Love I Saw Her Standing There? I hate IT

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29 January 2011 - 8.13pm

1. "Mr. Moonlight" has one saving grace: the opening. After that... a-hard-days-night-paul-2a-hard-days-night-ringo-6a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

2. "I Saw Her Standing There" is an awesome album opener: It's a rocker, which kicks off the album; it's an original, which gives people a taste of what the songwriters can do; and it's a catchy song to sing along to, which is why Paul plays it at concerts. Also, awesome bass part. 

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29 January 2011 - 8.17pm

1. Who doesn't love that Opening?

2. Lennon and McCartney could have been sued because McCartney stole the Bassline from Chuck Berry. I guess they needed a fast, original opener to Please Please Me, but Why not use the Title Track?

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29 January 2011 - 8.20pm

1. The people on http://www.ihatetheopeningofmr.....nlight.com. (I MADE IT UP.) 

2. Maybe it's so people will put in the record expecting to hear the title track, but have to listen until track 7. Anyway, I don't think anyone really noticed the kidnapped bassline except the Beatles and maybe Chuck Berry. 

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29 January 2011 - 8.22pm

Chuck Berry Sued The Beach Boys Once.

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29 January 2011 - 8.25pm

What was the case with Berry vs. Beach Boys? I'm pretty sure it's not that they put one of his basslines into their songs. After all, the Beatles took lots of ideas from other artists and put them into their songs.

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29 January 2011 - 8.30pm

Berry sued Brian Wilson (Sorry for the confusion) for one of their hits (can't remember which) having a resemblance to Sweet Little Sixteen. Your Serve, Rhoda

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29 January 2011 - 8.32pm

Well, at that time, basslines weren't really the big, distinctive part of the songs. Lyrics, melody, and sometimes guitar solos were the things that made you think, "Hey! That song sounds like that other song!"

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29 January 2011 - 8.33pm

Plagiarism is Plagiarism, any way you slice it.

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29 January 2011 - 8.35pm

Well, what song did Paul steal from? 

There's also a difference between plagiarism and allusions/parodies. 

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29 January 2011 - 8.39pm

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

Well, what song did Paul steal from? 

There's also a difference between plagiarism and allusions/parodies. 


1. I'm Talking About You

2. I get that fact, but John was sued over less legally damaging stuff

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29 January 2011 - 8.41pm

Well, Paul never got sued for "I Saw Her Standing There," so I don't think anyone cares about the similarities. 

So, what don't you like about "I Saw Her Standing There?" I don't think I asked you that-- I just gave my reasons why it's a great early song.

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29 January 2011 - 8.43pm

It's (IMO, of Course) Generic, Lame, lacklustre and pitiful lyrics. Pass

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29 January 2011 - 8.49pm

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The song is daring you to like it. 
*background chanting* 
LIKE IT. LIKE IT. LIKE IT. 

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29 January 2011 - 8.51pm

And I Don't Care. The song is unworthy of the Lennon-McCartney credit it has. I'd Rather have nothing at all

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29 January 2011 - 8.53pm

Ah, come on. How about the count-in? BEST COUNT-IN EVER. (until 1966)

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29 January 2011 - 8.54pm

It's OK

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29 January 2011 - 8.58pm

My work here is done. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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