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9 June 2015
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...just asking...but didn't Eric Clapton play a couple of sections on the guitar break from "Carry That Weight ?"

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The only Beatles track Eric played on is 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps '. 

Actually there is no guitar break in 'Carry That Weight '.

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True that Eric didn't play on Carry That Weight , but perhaps what @slowerhand means by guitar break is that little bit about thirty seconds in, after the first orchestral version of the You Never Give Me Your Money melody. 

I was just noticing earlier today that that guitar bit sounds remarkably similar to Something : 'I don't want to leave her now'. 

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The only Beatles track Eric played on is 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps '. 

Actually there is no guitar break in 'Carry That Weight '.

I just carefully re-listened to Carry That Weight (like, 9 years since my last time -- **hangs his head in Beatles Bible shame**a-hard-days-night-ringo-14).  There are in fact three electric guitar breaks:

A nice 8-second lick from 2:08-2:16

For about 5 seconds at about 3:10 (give or take a few seconds)

And the longest beginning at about 4:02 (which sounds like a dueling duet between two guitars, it would be cool to think perhaps they were George and Eric trading little licks) all the way to 4:38 -- at which point it immediately suddenly transitions to the piano chords opening the "And in the End..." ending.

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Carry That Weight lasts for 1 minute 37 seconds (going by my iTunes) so how can there be a guitar break at 2:08 to 2:16 or 3:10 or 4:02?

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mmm, I was about to address that. I think @Pineapple Records was failing to recognise the fact that Carry That Weight and The End are two separate tracks. 

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I just carefully re-listened to Carry That Weight (like, 9 years since my last time -- **hangs his head in Beatles Bible shame**a-hard-days-night-ringo-14).  There are in fact three electric guitar breaks:

A nice 8-second lick from 2:08-2:16

For about 5 seconds at about 3:10 (give or take a few seconds)

And the longest beginning at about 4:02 (which sounds like a dueling duet between two guitars, it would be cool to think perhaps they were George and Eric trading little licks) all the way to 4:38 -- at which point it immediately suddenly transitions to the piano chords opening the "And in the End..." ending.

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Sounds like a description of The End to me. 

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Ah okay; well, that now reminds me of a problem I've had with that last part: from the very end of Carry That Weight , where those electric guitar arpeggios start, to the end of those electric guitar duets immediately before the piano chords heralding the beginning of the End -- that whole part shouldn't be lumped in with "The End " -- that whole instrumental section (with some nicely robust seeming scat singing in the middle before those guitar duets, since I can't make out what they're singing) should be given its own title in its own right.

At any rate, it's still possible, unless someone can adduce Marshall McLuhan otherwise (<< Annie Hall reference), that Eric Clapton was participating in that section annoyingly lumped in with "The End ".

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At any rate, it's still possible, unless someone can adduce Marshall McLuhan otherwise (<< Annie Hall reference), that Eric Clapton was participating in that section annoyingly lumped in with "The End ".

There were actually rumors that Eric Clapton played part of that solo, but they were not actually true.  In reality, it was John, Paul, and George trading off.

 

As a technically-unrelated aside, The Beatles did briefly consider Eric Clapton as a replacement for George when George left the Beatles during the Get Back sessions.  The idea was given up quickly, and Eric Clapton, being asked about it years later, didn't sound too crazy about the idea.  More on this under the spoiler.

 

Where's Eric!: The Eric Clapton Fan Club Magazine said

A few months later, on 10 January 1969, George Harrison quit The Beatles. After George left the studio, John Lennon , Ringo Starr and film director Michael Lindsey-Hogg discussed what to do if George did not return for the planned live performance (The Beatles were filming / recording all of their sessions at the time and it would eventually come out as "Let It Be " in 1970). Their entire conversation was recorded.

John Lennon said that if “George doesn’t come back by Monday or Tuesday, we ask Eric Clapton to play.” This prompted Ringo Starr to inquire why Clapton left Cream. Lennon replied that Clapton would be please to join The Beatles, but that he left Cream because “they’re all soloists.” He then asserted that The Beatles “would give him full scope to play his guitar.” John went on to say that he wanted the band to continue with or without George but would be willing to start his own band if necessary.

Although it was not his place, Michael Lindsey-Hogg, tried to establish a consensus of continuing The Beatles without Harrison. Lennon said, “Yes. If he doesn’t come back by Tuesday, we get Clapton.” At that point in the discussion, Yoko Ono, sensing John’s attention drifting from her, began screeching his name into a microphone. The conversation ended and a jam began.

The discussion was never renewed by The Beatles. Well-known for shooting his mouth off, Lennon's pronouncement may be one more in a long line of over-the-top statements. Or, maybe he was hoping his comments would quickly get back to George and force him to rejoin the group. But, all of this leads only to intriguing speculation.

No matter Lennon's intent, the proposition did eventually get back to Eric Clapton. In 1998, he commented on the idea’s absurdity. “There may have been [a suggestion that I would be asked to join The Beatles in January 1969]. The problem with that was I had bonded or was developing a relationship with George, exclusive of them. I think it fitted a need of his and mine, that he could elevate himself by having this guy that could be like a gunslinger to them. Lennon would use my name every now and then for clout, as if I was the fastest gun. So, I don’t think I could have been brought into the whole thing because I was too much a mate of George’s.”

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'The End ' is meant to begin where it begins, 'Carry That Weight ' ending where the track cuts off (you can hear the jump between the two if you listen carefully but its much clearer where 'CTW' ends by listening to the undubbed take 17).

They're singing "Love You" before the guitar battle begins.

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Thanks Necko, I hadn't seen your post till just now.

I wonder which Beatle is doing that last, very audacious electric guitar riff with distortion right before the piano chords of "The End "...?

On another note, I wanted to say that it's noticeable (to my ears) that the chorus "Carry That Weight " has been recorded such that Ringo's voice ever so subtly -- and nicely -- dominates.  The singular peculiarities of his voice, distinct from the other Fab Three, to me seem somehow fitting for that chorus, and I'm glad they decided to record it that way.

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Thanks Necko, I hadn't seen your post till just now.

I wonder which Beatle is doing that last, very audacious electric guitar riff with distortion right before the piano chords of "The End "...?

On another note, I wanted to say that it's noticeable (to my ears) that the chorus "Carry That Weight " has been recorded such that Ringo's voice ever so subtly -- and nicely -- dominates.  The singular peculiarities of his voice, distinct from the other Fab Three, to me seem somehow fitting for that chorus, and I'm glad they decided to record it that way.

I was playing it today…….and just thinking the opposite. Not a fan of Ringo's singing…….But we're lumped with it and it is what it is. I wouldn't be without any of their recordings, even that utter tripe 'Rev 9'…….almost anything they had left over would have fitted the space that track took up and would have improved the White Album ……However, as I say I wouldn't be without it now….At the very least it speaks wonders about how John could have his way when he put his foot down.

Back to CTW…..Having Ringo sing 'lead' disguises the venom in the lyrics……If Paul had sung it there would have been all the fuss of who's the object of such distain………..(Any guesses now?)

As for the guitars….Paul George and John (in that order) took their 2 bars each turns…….The three fuzzy guitar breaks are John.

 

The nicest thing I have learned on BB is that for the recording of those solos John stopped his girl-friend at the door and for the one and only time said…..'Wait outside this won't take long'……….. 'A suitable ending I think'

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Thanks Necko, I suspected it was John -- and that's a great anecdote at the end (almost reminds me of something Sinatra would have said!).

On Ringo singing, I honestly hadn't even thought about the *meaning* and other associations stemming from that -- I was just thinking purely musically and thinking of those words as some generic chant that could be applied to anything remotely fitting.

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I feel hung up and I don't know why...

I know I probably think about this theme too much, but it fascinates me that Brian Epstein et al. referred to The Beatles as "the boys".

Also fascinating it the use of the word "boy" in this song, "Boy, you're gonna Carry That Weight ..." They could have used "mate" to rhyme with "weight". Was boy a put-down from Paul to John? Or was it just common to call a friend that during that time period?

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It may be that rhyming weight with mate would have been primary two school songwriting, up there with June and moon. It sounds horrible.

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Agreed. They could have used "man".

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However, what is being ignored is that "boy" is a double-meaning word. Just as it identifies a gender, it can also express a sense of exasperation or wonder. Using "man" is so much more dated an expression.

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So wish they would have used "dude".

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Ahhh Girl said

So wish they would have used "dude".

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Maaaaaaate ya gotta Carry That Weight , Carry That Weight ya drongoooooooo
Maaaaaaate ya gotta Carry That Weight , Carry That Weight ya drongoooooooo
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Maaaaaaate ya gotta Carry That Weight , Carry That Weight ya drongoooooooo
Maaaaaaate ya gotta Carry That Weight , Carry That Weight ya drongoooooooo

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Oh, yeah! Ringo should record that!

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