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26 June 2014
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@thisbirdhasflown It is not a “sound collage”. It is a single take live performance, which according to descriptions is avant garde. They spent as much time on it as it took to record. Paul originally wanted it on Anthology, George blocked it (which was why we got the instrumental backing tracks).

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@thisbirdhasflown It is not a “sound collage”. It is a single take live performance, which according to descriptions is avant garde. They spent as much time on it as it took to record. Paul originally wanted it on Anthology, George blocked it (which was why we got the instrumental backing tracks).

Ahhh, I see! That makes it even more cool! I still don’t know why George blocked it though.a-hard-days-night-ringo-2

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@thisbirdhasflown George blocked it because he thought it was crap! Simple as!

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@thisbirdhasflown George blocked it because he thought it was crap! Simple as!

Yeah, I can see that, but you do know there are huge amounts of people who will shell their money to buy this “crap”!

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Ron Nasty said
@thisbirdhasflown George blocked it because he thought it was crap! Simple as!

Which it probably is.

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Yeah I think I get it now. The general public obviously wouldn’t like it. I just want to hear it so I can check it off my bucket list. I don’t know if that’s good or bad though.

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From an interview with Mark Lewisohn:

Beatles fans patiently waiting to hear “Carnival Of Light ,” the mysterious 14-minute sound collage the band recorded but never released, are in for a disappointment.

So says author and historian Mark Lewisohn, considered the world’s foremost expert on the Fab Four. He’s one of the few people ever to have heard this most desired Beatles track, which has never been bootlegged and which is considered the last major unmined artifact in the band’s sonic archive.

“It’s just loose random sounds,” Lewisohn said from his London home, en route to a Beatles event in Toronto this Thursday at the Revue Cinema.

“‘Revolution 9 ’ (the White Album collage) is much more cohesive and thought through than this is. The intrigue in ‘Carnival Of Light ’ rests solely on the fact that it hasn’t been heard. When one day it is heard, no one will want to talk about it anymore, I don’t think.”

True, but it does have all four Beatles on it, larking about under Paul McCartney ’s lead as their contribution to a January 1967 performance art event known as The Million Volt Light and Sound Rave, at the Roundhouse venue in Camden, London. Recorded during the “Penny Lane ” sessions, it was played publicly just once and shelved thereafter. McCartney has said he’d like to release it one day, perhaps as the soundtrack to a photo collage, if he can get Ringo Starr and the widows of John Lennon and George Harrison to agree.

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I was just thinking about this. I don’t care how bad it is, like that snip parlance posted said, it’s interesting because we haven’t heard it. I’m sure it would be interesting (good or bad) to hear, either way.

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I thought I’d link this recent Toronto Star article on ‘Carnival Of Light ‘  http://www.thestar.com/enterta…..ohn.html  which features some more commentary by Mark Lewisohn…:-)

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Mr. Kite said
I was just thinking about this. I don’t care how bad it is, like that snip parlance posted said, it’s interesting because we haven’t heard it. I’m sure it would be interesting (good or bad) to hear, either way.

Supposedly, it sounds similar to Frank Zappa’s “Return of the Son of Monster Magnet”…

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From an interview with Mark Lewisohn:

Beatles fans patiently waiting to hear “Carnival Of Light ,” the mysterious 14-minute sound collage the band recorded but never released, are in for a disappointment.

So says author and historian Mark Lewisohn, considered the world’s foremost expert on the Fab Four. He’s one of the few people ever to have heard this most desired Beatles track, which has never been bootlegged and which is considered the last major unmined artifact in the band’s sonic archive.

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Maybe this is going a bit off-topic, but I’ve never understood why this recording always gets a lot more attention than other unreleased, unbootlegged recordings that are known to/thought to exist.  What about the sixteen-minute jam from May 9, 1967?  Or Etcetera?  Or any of the songs that Richie Unterberger listed?

 

EDIT: Although, admittedly, many of the recordings on the Unterberger list may not exist anymore, if they ever did.  Also, some factual errors are on the list.

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Necko said

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From an interview with Mark Lewisohn:

Beatles fans patiently waiting to hear “Carnival Of Light ,” the mysterious 14-minute sound collage the band recorded but never released, are in for a disappointment.

So says author and historian Mark Lewisohn, considered the world’s foremost expert on the Fab Four. He’s one of the few people ever to have heard this most desired Beatles track, which has never been bootlegged and which is considered the last major unmined artifact in the band’s sonic archive.

parlance

Maybe this is going a bit off-topic, but I’ve never understood why this recording always gets a lot more attention than other unreleased, unbootlegged recordings that are known to/thought to exist.  What about the sixteen-minute jam from May 9, 1967?  Or Etcetera?  Or any of the songs that Richie Unterberger listed?

 

EDIT: Although, admittedly, many of the recordings on the Unterberger list may not exist anymore, if they ever did.  Also, some factual errors are on the list.

That’s pretty much what I was wondering myself yesterday. Surely there’s more we haven’t heard besides COL?

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From that list @Necko linked to above we finally got to hear a ‘World Without Love’ demo last year.

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From that list @Necko linked to above we finally got to hear a ‘World Without Love’ demo last year.

So Wikipedia says.

 

That list is at least four years old, so it’s a little outdated.

 

EDIT: Also, thanks for sharing.  I’ve never heard that before, even though I’ve heard of it.

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The ‘Carnival Of Light ‘ discussions escalated to a new high when rumours of it finally surfacing as a Soundtrack to a project directed by Sir Paul himself showcasing a compilation of Linda McCartney’s photographic record of The Beatles during the years 1967-1970 was earmarked for release:      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs…..qHvphW00     Something that was lost in the hoopla was the “secret jamming session recorded at the London Roundhouse in 1968” which was also rumoured to be included, I personally would actually be more interested in hearing these recordings instead, anybody know anything about them?  This was the first (and last!) that I’d heard of their existence…:-)

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As far as i am aware the Beatles never performed at the Round House in 1968. There was the idea Paul had of the Beatles performing at the Round House in late 1968 but those fell thru, more than likely due to lack of interest from George and John, and they ended up at Twickenham at the start of January 1969 for the ‘Get Back ‘ rehearsals. Maybe that story of a planned performance got tangled with John and Yoko jamming whilst filming as part of ‘The Dirty Macs’ for the Stones ‘Rock And Roll Circus’ and grew legs. 

For details of the Roundhouse see here.

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The ‘Carnival Of Light ‘ discussions escalated to a new high when rumours of it finally surfacing as a Soundtrack to a project directed by Sir Paul himself. I personally would actually be more interested in hearing these recordings instead, anybody know anything about them?  This was the first (and last!) that I’d heard of their existence…:-)

I’m guessing you heard the unofficial YouTube version. blue-meanie

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As far as i am aware the Beatles never performed at the Round House in 1968. There was the idea Paul had of the Beatles performing at the Round House in late 1968 but those fell thru, more than likely due to lack of interest from George and John, and they ended up at Twickenham at the start of January 1969 for the ‘Get Back ‘ rehearsals. Maybe that story of a planned performance got tangled with John and Yoko jamming whilst filming as part of ‘The Dirty Macs’ for the Stones ‘Rock And Roll Circus’ and grew legs. 

For details of the Roundhouse see here.

The link that you provided here (thanks!) states “things progressed far enough for Paul to announce to the press that The Beatles would play three shows at the Roundhouse in London in mid-December 1968” so, is it possible that The Beatles did, in fact, perform that “secret jamming session recorded at the London Roundhouse in 1968”?  I mean, for Paul to announce not only dates AND a venue “to the press” suggests that perhaps “things progressed far enough” to the point where they actually did set up for some rehearsals but never got past that point.  What a nugget that would be if such a recording existed.

 

As dismal as the mood in January 1969 was, I believe that the previous Autumn in 1968 had a much more positive vibe to it.  The ‘White Album ‘ tensions peaked with Ringo leaving the group at the end of August, but it also brought them back together as a unit shortly afterwards (even if it was only a temporary solution to their deeper problems) for the first time in a long time.  This period started off in fine fashion with the excellent performances (even if only “half-live” with a backing track) on The David Frost Show, apparently these performances are what got Paul all hyped about them performing live again and anybody can see for themselves just how much ALL FOUR of them were clearly enjoying themselves on the show, even George can’t hide his glow here.

 

The warm spirits didn’t end with The David Frost Show for, according to Ringo, “the ‘White Album ‘ really took off” after he rejoined the group (listen to the ‘Anthology’ interviews) with “lots of group activity”.  By January it became apparent quickly that whatever excitement churning over the previous few months had fizzled so it would be most interesting to compare a jam recorded in December by the group to one of the many ‘Get Back ‘ jams to see if their enthusiasm was any better before that.  Someone may want to move this link to a more appropriate thread, this IS supposed to be about ‘Carnival Of Light ‘ after all, but I’ll leave this nice video of George playing live with some friends in December 1969 which some of you may not be familiar with, I know George often complained about playing live and touring but he does appear to be enjoying himself very much here:

 

 

 

…:-)

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