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Bad characters in Beatles songs
7 January 2018
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The taxman could be considered evil.  

Ha, RID. a-hard-days-night-john-6I'm all for that one. 

I also think the taxman was evil, taxing everyone like that. He could have at least been nice about it: "May I please have 19/20 of everything you own?"

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How about That Boy? He took my love away (and though he'll regret it one day, I think him being bad is a fair thing to say).

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7 January 2018
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What about Sir Walter Raleigh in I'm So Tired ? John did call him a stupid get after all ahdn_george_01  

He settled his colony in North Carolina where tobacco was a major cash crop shipping to England. The new availability of tobacco from America popularized cigarette smoking in Britain in massive way during the colonial era. I believe John is cursing sir walter raleigh for his cigarette addiction when calling him a stupid get. 

So not evil necessarily.   

The other thing Sir Walter Raleigh is known for is putting his cloak over a puddle so the Queen wouldn't get her feet wet. Actually, that's a myth but I never made the tobacco connection.

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7 January 2018
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The other thing Sir Walter Raleigh is known for is putting his cloak over a puddle so the Queen wouldn't get her feet wet. Actually, that's a myth but I never made the tobacco connection.  

I was just watching A Hard Day's Night and I'm picturing the scene where Ringo puts his raincoat over the hole the lady falls into. a-hard-days-night-ringo-10

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Ron Nasty said
How about That Boy? He took my love away (and though he'll regret it one day, I think him being bad is a fair thing to say).  

That Boy didn't take their love away. Their love went away on her own. She ain't no possession, man. She made her own decision to leave. 

On a similar note, the storytellers in You Can't Do That and Run For Your Life are obsessive and controlling (bad).

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8 January 2018
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Pretty little policemen in a row. Are they out to protect or are they out to get the singer? (Depends on the state of [drugged] singer's mind.)

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The walrus was a bad character. Let John explain:

 

"It never dawned on me that Lewis Carroll was commenting on the capitalist system. I never went into that bit about what he really meant,like people are doing with the Beatles' work. Later, I went back and looked at it and realised that the walrus was the bad guy in the story" (The Walrus and the Carpenter)

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But in the song he isn't a bad guy. Because he swapped the Walrus and the Carpenter in his mind. Walrus' bad guy status is post song.

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But in the song he isn't a bad guy. Because he swapped the Walrus and the Carpenter in his mind. Walrus' bad guy status is post song.  

Fair point.

 

I'll go for Sexy Sadie . Controversial I know,but (s)he did break the rules.......a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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The man from the motor trade?

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10 January 2018
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The man from the motor trade?  

Now there's a question! Is the man from the motor trade a bad egg or a saviour? You could argue that the bad characters in She's Leaving Home  are the parents who believe that materialistic gratification compensates for the lack of emotional gratification. You could argue that the man from the motor trade, and you get the idea of a dodgy second-hand car salesman, offers more emotional satisfaction than the materialistic buying-off that the parents attempt.

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Ron Nasty said

Now there's a question! Is the man from the motor trade a bad egg or a saviour? You could argue that the bad characters in She's Leaving Home  are the parents who believe that materialistic gratification compensates for the lack of emotional gratification. You could argue that the man from the motor trade, and you get the idea of a dodgy second-hand car salesman, offers more emotional satisfaction than the materialistic buying-off that the parents attempt.  

We really don't know enough about the man from the motor trade to make this argument, though. He just as easily could have seen how damaged she was and took advantage of that to take her away and alienate her from those who cared for her all her life. 

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As I said, @Little Piggy Dragonguy, it's an interesting song to look at the motives of those involved. We are certainly led to believe that a major factor in the girl leaving home is the emotional neglect by her parents, who believe that "We gave her everything money could buy" is enough. We are provided with a detailed enough portrait to question her parents, but just a thumbnail of the man from the motor trade that indicates she feels valued by him in ways that she didn't feel by her parents, by those who should offer unconditional love. Should the man from the motor trade prove to be a naughty boy who she shouldn't have been trusted, it still remains that it's the emotional neglect of her parents that has taken her to him.

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11 January 2018
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Reklo87 said
Pretty little policemen in a row. Are they out to protect or are they out to get the singer? (Depends on the state of [drugged] singer's mind.)  

Yeah, there were lots of "drug busts" going on at the time so to think that these "pretty little p'licemen" were out to get him would make sense. And as far as The Walrus, and as pointed out in John's quote, yeah he got it backward, t'was the Walrus that was the bad guy there, not the Carpenter.

 

As mentioned before also, definitely Maxwell Edison. He's a serial murderer after all! - Maxwell's Silver Hammer

Mao Zedong, communist revolutionary, founding father People's Republic of China. "If you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, ya ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."  - Revolution There are differing viewpoints of him, however. 

Edward Heath, leader of the Conservative Party of Great Britain (1965-1975). -Taxman  . Was this man a pedophile? Lots of scurrilous gossip surrounded him.

And for that matter, Harold Wilson, former Prime Minister of Great Britain (1964-1970) and a much reviled character. - Taxman Granted I need to do some reading as I don't know much about either of these gentlemen, but the little I do know revolves around scandal and rumors.

Mean Mr. Mustard. He's called "mean" after all. Or was he really only just an eccentric miser?

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Ron Nasty said

Now there's a question! Is the man from the motor trade a bad egg or a saviour? You could argue that the bad characters in She's Leaving Home  are the parents who believe that materialistic gratification compensates for the lack of emotional gratification. You could argue that the man from the motor trade, and you get the idea of a dodgy second-hand car salesman, offers more emotional satisfaction than the materialistic buying-off that the parents attempt.  

I think the inclusion of the man from the motor trade is intended to show the trouble that the She is getting into after leaving home. He sounds so vague that it must be deliberate, perhaps suggesting she doesn't really know what she's getting into. But yes, the parents could also be considered bad.

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I'll go for Sexy Sadie . Controversial I know,but (s)he did break the rules.......a-hard-days-night-paul-7  

 

Thinking of the words Sexy Sadie only makes me think of Susan Atkins, Manson Family member... went by Sadie Mae Glutz or Sexy Sadie . So yes, she fits here.

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Thinking of the words Sexy Sadie only makes me think of Susan Atkins, Manson Family member... went by Sadie Mae Glutz or Sexy Sadie . So yes, she fits here.  

Being honest,I never even thought of that angle to it. I was thinking about the Maharishi thing. Definitely agree with you thoughpaul-mccartney-thumb_gif

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The Maharishi as a character could be argued either way. It is such a complicated story due to the way Alex Mardas plays in it in spreading the rumor about the Maharishi. I am too far removed to really make a judgement call. John sure did. 

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The Maharishi as a character could be argued either way. It is such a complicated story due to the way Alex Mardas plays in it in spreading the rumor about the Maharishi. I am too far removed to really make a judgement call. John sure did.   

Whether he really was bad we will likely never know for sure. But in the song he certainly is.

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@The Hippie Chick: As far as I know, allegations of that nature were made against Heath,but I'm not sure whether anything was proved or disproved. Probably theyre still investigating

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