Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
11 November 2014
1.13pm
Avatar
Joe
Pepperland
Admin
Forum Posts: 5079
Member Since:
31 March 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Past Masters album artwork

Written by: Larry Williams
Recorded: 10 May 1965
Producer: George Martin
Engineer: Norman Smith

Released: 9 December 1966 (UK), 14 June 1965 (US)

John Lennon: vocals, rhythm guitar
Paul McCartney: bass, Hohner Pianet electric piano
George Harrison: lead guitar
Ringo Starr: drums, tambourine

Available on:
Past Masters

The Beatles recorded two Larry Williams songs during a single 10…

Can buy me love! Please consider using these links to support the Beatles Bible: Amazon | iTunes
Or buy my paperback/ebook! Riding So High – The Beatles and Drugs

Don't miss The Bowie Bible – now live!

8 June 2016
8.32pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 18932
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

"Junior's head is hard as rock"

While listening to this song yesterday morning, I wondered if the "hard as rock" had something to do with rock-'n-roll music since it is sometimes called "hard".

Junior's head is hard as rock-'n-roll.

8 June 2016
8.49pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 15737
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Rock music is mentioned throughout the song so it's possible.

Maybe they have a horny friend name Junior and that is why he is a Bad Boy .

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

10 June 2016
9.40am
Avatar
Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<
the Netherlands
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1435
Member Since:
27 March 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I tend to interpret it as Junior being a tough, or very stubborn kid. Or perhaps he puts so much stuff in his hair to achieve his R'n'R image, it's gone rigid. Who knows? I certainly don't. Cool tune, though, though I feel sorry for the Cocker Spaniel that gets shoved into a washing machine... paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

The following people thank Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< for this post:

Beatlebug, Zig, WeepingAtlasCedars

Formerly Known As JPM-Fangirl --Paul-Badge.png 2016

'Out There' - 07-06-2015 - Ziggo Dome Amsterdam -- 'One On One' - 12-06-2016 - Pinkpop Festival Landgraaf

10 June 2016
10.25am
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 10275
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The phrase "hard rock" to describe a form of music did not come into being until 1968/69. Ergo, no.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

 

Stay at home, protect your nation's health services, save lives, and do...
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963

10 June 2016
10.43am
Avatar
Beatlebug
Find me where ye echo lays
Moderator

Moderators

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 16335
Member Since:
15 February 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

^^So it's just a cool coincidence. 

Stacatto signals of constant information... These are the days of miracle and wonder, and don't cry, baby, don't cry
Silly-Girl-2016.png Silly-Girl-2017.png bbbadge2018.jpg BBawards 2019
New to Forumpool? You can introduce yourself here

10 June 2016
11.33am
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 18932
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Starr Shine? said
Rock music is mentioned throughout the song so it's possible.

Maybe they have a horny friend name Junior and that is why he is a Bad Boy .  

I can imagine John thinking that while singing the song.

13 June 2016
3.22pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 9807
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well this rock and roll has got to stop
Junior's head is hard as rock

 

To be hard headed means to be stubborn, not willing to change. When Larry Williams wrote those lines, I believe he was saying hard headed Junior was not going to stop rocking and rolling in a way that rhymed.

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

5 May 2019
10.48am
Avatar
Kaniffee
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1276
Member Since:
29 April 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

This song slaps.  Also I'm half convinced they took the scream from this song and used it in Revolution , though I have no proof of this.

Why yes that is a picture of Paul dabbing. Deal with it.

5 May 2019
12.14pm
Avatar
QuarryMan
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 3031
Member Since:
26 January 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think this was the last canon song I ever discovered by them. It's a great one, one of their better covers

The following people thank QuarryMan for this post:

Kaniffee

There is no final victory, as there is no final defeat. There is just the same battle to be fought, over and over again. So toughen up, bloody toughen up.” - Tony Benn

"Adapt, react, readapt... apt." - Michael G. Scott, How I Manage
2019 BB awards: Quarryman-2019.png

"Most respectful even through disagreements"; "awesomest signature"

Avatar courtesy of Beatlebug and Ms. Björk Guðmundsdóttir

5 May 2019
3.13pm
Avatar
vonbontee
Inside an Apple Orchard in a Letterbox
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 4207
Member Since:
1 December 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Indeed! It's my favourite of the Williams covers, and I wish "Lizzie" (least fave) had incorporated some of those dramatic rhythm shifts, and stop/starts, rather than just perfunctory one-intensity-level "hysteria". Plus, any Beatle singing about a *boy* is unusual and noteworthy!

As for the "hard as rock" thing: I doubt that Larry was thinking of "...and roll" when he wrote it. But I do think that John might have have relished the double meaning: "r&r" was becoming "rock" by '64, and the idea of rocking hard vs. rocking softly may have been terminology among actual musicians before "hard rock" formally appeared in print (Jon Landau in Rolling Stone,1968, is the earliest usage I personally know of.)

The following people thank vonbontee for this post:

Kaniffee, QuarryMan

Someone said 'What were you gonna do when it's all finished,' and I said 'I don't know but it'd be good fun being a DJ.' And since then I've become a DJ, only by word of mouth, you know. SO any minute now you'll read, 'Ringo leaves to become a DJ' but it's not true. - Ringo Starr

                     Von-Bontee-2017.png

https://rateyourmusic.com/~Myo.....Von_Bontee

5 May 2019
4.15pm
Avatar
The Hole Got Fixed
A Dock at Southampton
Moderator

Moderators

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 7453
Member Since:
27 November 2016
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

Kaniffee said
This song slaps.  Also I'm half convinced they took the scream from this song and used it in Revolution , though I have no proof of this.

  

I would say they didn't. It's unlikely in the first place, but it's too short.

#HoleyApple2020
Get smelly people cleaned up! /-/ Make America hygienic again!
2016 awards: Username-Badge.png 2017 awards: The-Hole-Got-Fixed-2017.png 2018 awards:The-Hole-Got-Fixed-2018.png 2019 awards: Ringo-2019.png

5 May 2019
4.59pm
Avatar
Kaniffee
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1276
Member Since:
29 April 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Which one's too short? If it's Revolution they could've cut it theoretically.

Why yes that is a picture of Paul dabbing. Deal with it.

5 May 2019
5.18pm
Avatar
The Hole Got Fixed
A Dock at Southampton
Moderator

Moderators

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 7453
Member Since:
27 November 2016
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

Kaniffee said
Which one's too short? If it's Revolution they could've cut it theoretically.

  

Bad Boy 's is too short, and also waivers in pitch a bit too much.

#HoleyApple2020
Get smelly people cleaned up! /-/ Make America hygienic again!
2016 awards: Username-Badge.png 2017 awards: The-Hole-Got-Fixed-2017.png 2018 awards:The-Hole-Got-Fixed-2018.png 2019 awards: Ringo-2019.png

5 May 2019
7.10pm
Avatar
Kaniffee
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1276
Member Since:
29 April 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Aww too bad.  They will be the same in my heartheart.

Why yes that is a picture of Paul dabbing. Deal with it.

18 December 2019
4.28pm
Avatar
BeatOfTheBrass
The Kaiserkeller
Members
Forum Posts: 49
Member Since:
12 December 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

How many people realize that: the "tulare" the neighbor's cat was fed, means rabbit(?).

I will play the game Existence to the End ;)

19 December 2019
11.45am
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Here when I am. Not when I am not.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators

Heal/hurt
Forum Posts: 22720
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

BeatOfTheBrass said
How many people realize that: the "tulare" the neighbor's cat was fed, means rabbit(?).

  

Junior fed a canary to the cat, didn't he? I've always heard canary.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of self to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

19 December 2019
6.38pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 10275
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I'm with @meanmistermustard, @BeatOfTheBrass, that it's a canary fed to the neighbour's cat, as it is in Williams' original:

1:53 "He took your pet canary and he fed him to the neighbour's cat..."

Also, the only connection I can find between "tulare" and rabbits is a disease called Tularemia - which affects rabbits, hares, rodents, and can be passed to humans. The disease is often commonly referred to as rabbit fever, but it has other common names as well - Pahvant Valley plague, deer fly fever, Ohara's fever - and the Tulare part of the disease's name is a reference to Tulare County in California, where the disease was discovered in 1911.

While John ad-libbed a few of the lines in the Beatles version, it seems highly unlikely John would have used part of the name of a rare disease that affects rabbits to mean rabbits.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

 

Stay at home, protect your nation's health services, save lives, and do...
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963

20 December 2019
3.58pm
Avatar
BeatOfTheBrass
The Kaiserkeller
Members
Forum Posts: 49
Member Since:
12 December 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ron Nasty said
I'm with @meanmistermustard, @BeatOfTheBrass, that it's a canary fed to the neighbour's cat, as it is in Williams' original:

1:53 "He took your pet canary and he fed him to the neighbour's cat..."

Also, the only connection I can find between "tulare" and rabbits is a disease called Tularemia - which affects rabbits, hares, rodents, and can be passed to humans. The disease is often commonly referred to as rabbit fever, but it has other common names as well - Pahvant Valley plague, deer fly fever, Ohara's fever - and the Tulare part of the disease's name is a reference to Tulare County in California, where the disease was discovered in 1911.

While John ad-libbed a few of the lines in the Beatles version, it seems highly unlikely John would have used part of the name of a rare disease that affects rabbits to mean rabbits.

 

I'm more familiar with the way it sounds on the Beatles VI album, which might be sped-up just a little (in addition to; the way the reverb might obfuscate a clearer pronunciation of the lyrics).  My bad, then.  I remember the "Tulare" reference being connected with rabbits, though, from an old Merle Haggard song.

  

I will play the game Existence to the End ;)

Forum Timezone: America/Chicago
Most Users Ever Online: 700
Currently Online: meanmistermustard, AppleScruffJunior, The Hole Got Fixed
Guest(s) 1
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 15737
Ron Nasty: 10275
50yearslate: 8267
Necko: 7872
parlance: 7111
AppleScruffJunior: 6796
mr. Sun king coming together: 6403
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
mithveaen: 4621
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 87
Members: 2744
Moderators: 6
Admins: 2
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 4822
Posts: 338585
Newest Members:
Cleveruser5, rebeccaf, Beatles123, Beatles4Life, Reise
Moderators: Joe: 5079, Zig: 9807, meanmistermustard: 22720, Ahhh Girl: 18932, Beatlebug: 16335, The Hole Got Fixed: 7453
Administrators: Joe: 5079, Ellie: 4