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And Your Bird Can Sing
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19 January 2015
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While listening to this song this morning, I had this weird thought. It sounds like John is making a reply to a request from another rock group for John to join them. John is giving them a a-hard-days-night-paul-11 -type answer.

19 January 2015
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 From what I have heard, the song is supposedly a jab at Mick Jagger who had been boasting that his girlfriend could sing, so John is responding to another rock groupa-hard-days-night-john-1

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19 January 2015
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I read a WMG that this song was about Paul.

 

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Conventional wisdom has it that this song is a diatribe directed at Mick Jagger, who as the story goes liked to brag about his "bird," Marianne Faithfull. Provided that was true, it seems doubtful that John would even care enough to be piqued into taking the passive-aggressive route of writing a song about it, especially one so uppity and personally affected. "You don't get me! You can't see me! You can't hear me!"

 

Meanwhile, in late 1965 and '66 there was some strain on John and Paul's relationship, for various reasons. One, Paul had decided to stay in London instead of moving out to Weybridge with John and the others. Even though they kept in constant touch (according to Cynthia Lennon, they would even sing and play to each other over the phone) and Paul regularly drove out for visits and/or songwriting sessions, this was a blow to John, since they had been virtually inseparable for almost ten years, and the Beatles were customarily a like-minded unit. Two, while John felt stuck in Surrey, Paul was swanning about the London art scene, befriending its inhabitants, attending plays and happenings, and living an enviable swinging bachelor life. Three, and perhaps most crucially, Paul kept balking at taking LSD with John in spite of increasing peer pressure and his willingness to take cocaine with Robert Fraser. (Not that it's a total no-brainer that Paul would opt for coke over acid or anything.) So John vented his jealousy and frustration with Paul ca. 1966 through song, as he was wont to do— but couched it in metaphor, because he wouldn't have wanted to really hurt Paul then. His care for his target comes through in spite of his put-downs: "When your prize possessions start to weigh you down, look in my direction. I'll be 'round."

 

On a minor note, the line "You say you've seen seven wonders," which would be in response to Paul enthusing over the things he was seeing and doing in Swinging London, also reminds of his (hilariously amazing) pot-inspired epiphany the night Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on to cannabis that "THERE ARE SEVEN LEVELS."

 

The lyrics are cryptic enough that Paul might not have noticed they were about him; if he suspected, it would be like him to just ignore it if it meant hedging a confrontation over such a difficult subject.

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19 January 2015
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Joe's blog post does mention that it might be something re the Stones

While Lennon never revealed the inspiration behind the song, it is believed to refer to the rivalry between The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. Although the two groups were friends, Lennon saw the Stones as Beatles copyists, and the titular 'bird' may have been Marianne Faithfull.

I had read that before, but the song had never hit me the way it did this morning.

Interesting thought that it might be about Paul.

19 January 2015
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There's always been a bit of doubt as to whether the guitars are played in unison by George and/or John or they're tracked by one of them. Lewisohn has no details beyond noting that this was the 10th take out of 13 and they edited the end of take 6 onto it (the bass doodles). It's not impossible they played together, the number of takes might indicate that. I had hoped Emerick might have shed some light in his memoir but he completely ignores the song.

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20 January 2015
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A wonderful example of a guitar solo not needing to be fast to be wonderful. (see also While My Guitar... and many others)

"Into the Sky with Diamonds" (the Beatles and the Race to the Moon – a history)

20 January 2015
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For the remake Winn writes that "the backing of rhythm guitar and drums on one track, and Paul’s bass on another, was taped simultaneously... and a dual guitar solo from Paul and George completed things on the fourth track.".

There is some thought that the song is about Frank Sinatra, Jonathan Hould covers it in 'Can't Buy Me Love : The Beatles, Britain, and America'.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of self to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

20 January 2015
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Plot Twist! It could be about an actually bird!

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20 January 2015
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Annadog40 said

Plot Twist! It could be about an actually bird!

John was tripping on LSD and had a foreshadowing vision of Twitter. Look at the lyrics. It could be true.a-hard-days-night-john-3

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I have a different theory on who the bird is.  I think it is Ronnie Bennett (later Ronnie Spector, Phil Spector's bird).  John had a deep crush on Ronnie.  He tried to hook up with her on the Beatles first visit to the states in 1964 and was rebuffed.  She claims in her biography that she was still a virgin at the time (your bird is green or inexperienced).  Phil Spector was very jealous and kind of overbearing in keeping her away from John.  The Ronettes toured with the Beatles on the 1966 U.S. tour, but Phil didn't let Ronnie participate.  She had a stand in.  I think this song originated as John saying in effect to Phil, you may have Ronnie, and you may be a famous producer but you don't get to produce the greatest act in pop and rock, the Beatles.  Of course, later he did produce Let It Be and some of John and George's solo work.  By this time, John would not have said it was about Phil and Ronnie, because Phil was producing John's recordings.  That would have been awkward.

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I've always heard of this song being a jab at the stones as well, but why? Maybe I'm not interpreting the lyrics right, but when I listen to this song I really try to find jabs at the stones.  Anybody have any interpretations?? 

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