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Which early and late Beatles songs sound like one another?
16 June 2013
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Well, first off, this is how I would categorize the “early, middle and late” periods in the Beatles’ career.

EARLY: Please Please Me through Help !

MIDDLE: Rubber Soul through Magical Mystery Tour

LATE: The White Album /Yellow Submarine , Lady Madonna , etc. (depending on how you look at it) through Abbey Road /Let It Be (depending on how you look at it)

 

As for the topic, I’d say that One After 909 , For You Blue , The Ballad Of John And Yoko , Here, There And Everywhere , and maybe Good Day Sunshine (except for those voices at the end-trippy, man…) all sound like they could have come from earlier on in the group’s career. As for early things that sound late, I either can’t think of anything or I’m too lazy to actually find out.

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17 June 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8This may have already been mentioned, but One After 909 sounds old because John had written it when he was about 17.  

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Zig said
The music to “The Ballad Of John And Yoko ” has that early sixties style/beat. 

It’s the opposite for me, because I think it would fit well on the “Imagine ” album.  It’s so very John.  a-hard-days-night-john-1

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18 June 2013
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For You Blue ” could have been made much earlier – but it really wouldn’t have fit on an album besides Let It Be , in a perfect world Help ! a-hard-days-night-george-4?

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18 June 2013
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This is one of those subjective questions that depends very much on how you approach it. To me it is very much dependent on the lyrics. How something is tackled musically can vary, even in a matter of days – though sometimes the musical approach can show the distance travelled, with something like One After 909 being a great example (the same song in ’69 as it was in ’63, with the same tune, but a very different way of performing it).

Songs that lyrically or musically reference their past I personally think are pointless, and usually fall down on one aspect or the other. Taking the example above, For You Blue , it’s one of Georgie’s greats, but could both elements really exist in an earlier era. Musically George could have written that blues tune at virtually anytime, but not until ’68/’69 would he have been able to find those words for it.

And all the later songs are built on things they learnt writing the earlier ones, so echoes are unsurprising.

To reference The Ballad Of John And Yoko as something that could be earlier?!!!! I’m sorry, again musically possibly, but lyrically it’s totally impossible – not that John couldn’t have written something similar earlier, just that the story of the song was lived when it was lived, and could not have been written before it was.

So I tend to look at songs lyrically that surprise they are so early. I always have one in mind. One that lyrically always surprises me, always makes me think “Those words were written when?” The performance doesn’t matter, that it is very much of its time, because the afore mentioned One After 909  shows their performance was about what they were doing then.

That song, so lyrically out of place, is There’s a Place. I can easily imagine it sitting happily on Rubber Soul with a slightly different arrangement (maybe ridding us of the misogyny of Run For Your Life ). A great over-looked song that points the way to the exploration of the inner self that much of the rest of the decade would be spent in.

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That song, so lyrically out of place, is There’s a Place. I can easily imagine it sitting happily on Rubber Soul with a slightly different arrangement (maybe ridding us of the misogyny of Run For Your Life ). A great over-looked song that points the way to the exploration of the inner self that much of the rest of the decade would be spent in.

I’ve always thought that, too. In fact, it was a few months of listening to this song before I learnt when it was written and, even then when I didn’t know much about their songwriting or the 60s, I was surprised.

A question I’ve always had is this, was it understood properly at the time? Did people, first listening to that when it was released, think about what it was they were saying, and understand it? No pop record had been so ”deep” before. This is 1963, and it was pretty much a first to talk about something so ”intellectual” or complicated in a minute and a half.

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19 June 2013
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“There’s a Place” has great potential — too bad they didn’t re-work it later when they had their chops down.  I disagree that it only needs a “slight” makeover. It needs major work.  An entirely new second melody should be added, a task handed over to Paul which I’m sure he could have done well — and sang.

As it stands musically, it is firmly early.  Nothing except vaguely “deep” allusions even hint at anything later.

 

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19 June 2013
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“Everybody’s Got Sthg To Hide Except You Monkey” has the Revolver sound, “Got To Get You Into My Life ” on Abbey Road , “Ticket To Ride ” on MMTour. As for your choice “There’s A Place3 would be a perfect closing number on Help !, just after “Yesterday

19 June 2013
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“There’s a Place” has great potential — too bad they didn’t re-work it later when they had their chops down.  I disagree that it only needs a “slight” makeover. It needs major work.  An entirely new second melody should be added, a task handed over to Paul which I’m sure he could have done well — and sang.

As it stands musically, it is firmly early.  Nothing except vaguely “deep” allusions even hint at anything later.

 

“There’s a Place” is my favorite early-days tack. Man would it have been cool if they had waited to record it until later…

 

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Another topic would be:  What’s the Earliest Song from the Late Period that really blew everybody’s mind because it was so advanced for its time?

Wouldn’t that be Helter Skelter ?

 

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  “Umm, that came about just ’cause I’d read a review of a record which said, ‘and this group really got us wild, there’s echo on everything, they’re screaming their heads off.’ And I just remember thinking, ‘Oh, it’d be great to do one. Pity they’ve done it. Must be great — really screaming record.’ And then I heard their record and it was quite straight, and it was very sort of sophisticated. It wasn’t rough and screaming and tape echo at all. So I thought, ‘Oh well, we’ll do one like that, then.’ And I had this song called “Helter Skelter ,” which is just a ridiculous song. So we did it like that, ‘cuz I like noise.”

I love that he’s referring to “I Can See For Miles” by The Who- that Pauline confidence.

Though these days I’ve been bumpin’ to the supaswampy Anthology 3 Version of that one- love the way he says “back to the top of the ride and I know as I get- that I never get high, but I’ll zip to the bottom and see you again!”

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I’ve found a version of Helter Skelter , which is supposedly the complete, 12-minute take 2-but it sort of sounds like the version on Anthology 3 looped a few times. Oh well, it’s still cool. Contact me if you want it.

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Hard, it’s easy to say “Yesterday ” and “Blackbird “, but I’m still a bit unsure about “The Ballad Of John And Yoko ” (it sounds early, but not Beatles-early)… “Yer Blues ” sounds like something that could have been from Let It Be . “I Will ” maybe… ?

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Main-Changing phase: Rubber Soul —> Revolver —>

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I Will is, practically, the 1968 version of And I Love Her .

You’re Gonna Lose That Girl, to me, sounded like a step backward from the maturity level of the (rest of) the Help era.

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Nowhere Man is quite similar to Dear Prudence .

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I think One After 909 (recorded in 1963) sounds very much like the 9th track on Let it Be, whatever the title is – very similar melody and chords, don’t you think?

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I think One After 909 (recorded in 1963) sounds very much like the 9th track on Let it Be, whatever the title is – very similar melody and chords, don’t you think?

  

On top of that 4 of the tracks from Paul’s album Give My Regards To Broad Street sound like they could easily have been on the Revolver album.  And that song Long And Winding Road sounds a lot like one of the tracks off of Let It Be as well.

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