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A day in the life - LONG interview with Giles Martin INCLUDING this statement about the "aaaah" part.
21 February 2019
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Hi, sorry I'm still lurking around, still waiting for redemption.

And while I know it STILL might not convince some people I just wanted to share this amazing interview.

https://www.soundandrecording......club-band/

Sorry it's in German, but it includes THIS enlightening passage:

"Pauls Main-Vocal-Spur ist stereo, weil wir ihr mit dem Waves S1 Stereo Imaging Plug-in etwas Spannweite gegeben haben, daher klingt sie anders als Johns Lead-Stimme. Wir haben auch zwei kleine Stückchen abgespalten, um die Möglichkeit zu haben, sie links und rechts zu pannen. Seine vierte Vocal-Spur ist die ›Aaah‹-Sektion, und darunter ist eine ›Aaah‹-Delay-Aux-Spur.«

My translation:

[after explaining John's vocal tracks on ADITL] Paul's main-vocal-track is in stereo, because we gave it some range/space with the Waves S1 Stereo Imaging Plug-in, so it sounds different from John's lead vocal. We also spliced off two little pieces to have the possibility of panning it left and right. His fourth vocal-track is the "aaaah"-section, and below that is an "aaaah"-delay-aux-track".

 

This is finally what I was looking for, a statement by somebody who actually listened to the actual recordings RECENTLY. In contrast to that I saw an interview with Geoff Emerick (may he rest in peace!) from some years ago where he just repeated his made up story from his book about this part - I wish the interviewer had played him the actual record, then he most probably would have realized that it was Paul singing and not John as he claimed.

So Giles Martin, who spent a LOT of time listening to and deeply analysing this says the "aaaaah" is PAULS vocal track.

Good enough for you, anybody??

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Illgetyou said
Hi, sorry I'm still lurking around, still waiting for redemption.

My gosh, is that you, Paulsbass? Or is it Mr. Big? It's always exciting when someone returns after years!

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It's paulsbass.

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Yeah, I know, I must have left forever for the fourth time now or something like that... 😉

And while, funny enough, he's also German, I surely am NOT Mr. Big! He was the one who claimed George was a better bass player than Paul and I just got caught up in his madness because I called him out...

Sorry to bring this up again and I sure won't help escalating it (still AMAZING how furious the arguments on youtube and everyhwere still get over the "aaahs" or the drumming on "Dear Prudence ", I will never really understand it!), but I thought this REALLY is some SERIOUS first hand opinion, ok, second hand because obviously he wasn't there, but, as Mr. Emerick proves, being there is not everything.

Giles put all the tracks out like a puzzle (I think the interview is really fascinating and detailled) and might have listened to this more intensely and often than ANYBODY with the highest amount of quality and detail and background information available - personally I think his opinion on this goes quite a long way...

What do you think?

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Welcome back, illgetyou! Looking forward to seeing what you have to contribute this time around...

Me, I was one of the ones convinced that John was responsible for the aahhs, until you posted an isolated vocal, after which my mind was changed. So I've personally considered the matter settled as far as my ears are concerned. But I really have no more interest in the matter. apple01

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well...  I was one of the fortunate souls who missed out on the original 'A Day In The Life ' ("aaah part") nonsense...  I think that I eventually commented, long after the fact, to a thread that was posthumously butchered by some unnamed participant who thought himself to be rather clever by deleting all of his posts, resulting in a fragmented highly obscured "conversation" because they understandably didn't want to stand by their own words...

I'll confess to not clicking the "LONG interview with Giles Martin" for he doesn't hold a whole lot of credibility in my world...  he wasn't even a baby back in 1967...  his opinion holds no more weight than just about anybody elses' outside of The Beatles' Inner Circle (he's heard 'Carnival Of Light ', I'll give him that)...  his father's does however, and Sir George's "All You Need Is Ears" applies here and I hear BOTH John & Paul...  I'll trust what I'm hearing over Giles' ears, thank you very much...  it doesn't help that this is a second generation translation (didn't know that Giles spoke German, learn something new everyday...;-)

 

This is finally what I was looking for, a statement by somebody who actually listened to the actual recordings RECENTLY. Illgetyou said

  

you do realize that 'Sgt. Pepper ' was recorded on a 4-Track, right?  and...  how many musicians including The Beatles are, in fact, playing on this recording?...  you are aware that anybody has access to 'The Beatles Rock Band' tracks where the vocals can be isolated for their own studies, no?   yet we're supposed to accept your deduction as gospel that Giles "might have listened to this more intensely and often than ANYBODY with the highest amount of quality and detail and background information available"?!

personally I think his opinion on this goes quite a long way...Illgetyou said

thanks for atleast marking this assumption of yours as "personally" for I was beginning to worry some...  I stopped taking you seriously after you were so quick to dismiss Geoff Emerick's opinion (someone who was actually there) while pumping up somebody else who wasn't there's version instead...  if you want to listen to 'The Beatles Rock Band' tracks for yourself, I'm sure that all you have to do is ask and someone here will point you in the right direction...  you'll be happy to know that 'Dear Prudence ' (recorded on 8-Track) is also available for reference and you can listen to Paul's drum track isolated which is absent of the overdubs so obviously played by Ringo later on when he rejoined the band for yourself as well...  as George Martin (someone else who was there) says...  "All You Need Is..."...:-)
 

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Great interview but i trust Geoff Emmerick since he was the only eyewitness to make a comment on the matter.

Is there any other information worth discussing in that interview besides the Ahhhs.

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for anyone wishing to do their own "deep analysis":

 

 

they're both in there...  also explains why there is much confusion over who...  it's because they're both in there...:-)

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It's Paul. Crystal clear. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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Any chance of translating the article, @AppleScruffJunior?

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Dark Overlord said
Great interview but i trust Geoff Emmerick since he was the only eyewitness to make a comment on the matter.

Is there any other information worth discussing in that interview besides the Ahhhs.

  

I love Emerick's work, but unfortunately his memory is not one to be trusted. Check out this interview from 1979 - he can't even remember who played the piano on ADITL! http://www.angelfire.com/plane.....vh9eNbJT4w

Ken Scott had a lot to say about his former colleague's memory as well. https://groups.google.com/foru.....AIAueWS3K4

The Giles Martin interview is VERY long and EXTREMELY fascinating, but of course it's very technical, so personally I don't understand all of it, not even close. But you get a very good idea of how much thought and work and know how they put into the remixes.

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Any chance of translating the article, @AppleScruffJunior?

  

I am literally going out the door to the post office right now.

Is there any particular bit or do you just want me to focus on ADITL, or the entire article?

It's quite a long bit so if it's the entire article I might just record myself interpreting it than translating if that'd suit you. That'd only take me 5 minutes over sitting down and spending 30 minutes+ writing.

 

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well...  I was one of the fortunate souls who missed out on the original 'A Day In The Life ' ("aaah part") nonsense...  I think that I eventually commented, long after the fact, to a thread that was posthumously butchered by some unnamed participant who thought himself to be rather clever by deleting all of his posts, resulting in a fragmented highly obscured "conversation" because they understandably didn't want to stand by their own words...

Billy, I could say a lot about this paragraph alone, but I didn't came back to fight, seriously.

Let me just say that we obviously don't get along well. This happens. It was mainly you and your attitude (that sadly doesn't seem to have changed, I was really hoping for a different kind of message) that frustrated me enough to erase my postings - sorry for every inconvenience I caused by that, but it happened out of deep frustration and NOT because I "didn't want to stand by my own words".

Almost everybody jumped on me back then and there were just very few other people who pointed out that your attitude had not helped matters much.

So please let's leave it at that. We don't get along. We don't have to. But keep it respectful.

I'll confess to not clicking the "LONG interview with Giles Martin" for he doesn't hold a whole lot of credibility in my world...  he wasn't even a baby back in 1967...  his opinion holds no more weight than just about anybody elses' outside of The Beatles' Inner Circle (he's heard 'Carnival Of Light ', I'll give him that)... 

 

So you think Giles Martin doesn't know more about these recordings that "just anybody else outside of The Beatles inner circle"? Dude, you REALLY should click on that interview - even without speaking German you should get the impression of the thousands of hours of intense work he and his team spent with these recordings.

You seriously want to just dismiss that? Ask yourself, what does that make you look like.

Unfortunately his father is no longer with us, but after working along him and now literally sitting in his seat, imo it's not possible to get ANY closer except for Paul.

his father's does however, and Sir George's "All You Need Is Ears" applies here and I hear BOTH John & Paul...  I'll trust what I'm hearing over Giles' ears, thank you very much...  it doesn't help that this is a second generation translation (didn't know that Giles spoke German, learn something new everyday...;-)

Your condescending joke aside, I'd love to provide that interview in English, but it's from a German journal and I don't have their original material. Still, "Paul" is "Paul" is German as well in English, there's no doubt who he was talking about.

 

you do realize that 'Sgt. Pepper ' was recorded on a 4-Track, right?  and...  how many musicians including The Beatles are, in fact, playing on this recording?...  you are aware that anybody has access to 'The Beatles Rock Band' tracks where the vocals can be isolated for their own studies, no?   yet we're supposed to accept your deduction as gospel that Giles "might have listened to this more intensely and often than ANYBODY with the highest amount of quality and detail and background information available"?!

Dude, we all listened to the isolated vocals and surprisingly everybody seems to hear something different, which I will never fully understand, but there's no point in denying it.

But it's still a difference if you listen to a youtube chanel or the actual tapes, and whatever else he did with them and whatever background information you can get, HE had access to it, don't you think? If you think you are as qualified as Giles Martin because you listened to the 4-tracks of Guitar hero at home there might be some misconception.

 

 

I stopped taking you seriously after you were so quick to dismiss Geoff Emerick's opinion (someone who was actually there) while pumping up somebody else who wasn't there's version instead...  if you want to listen to 'The Beatles Rock Band' tracks for yourself, I'm sure that all you have to do is ask and someone here will point you in the right direction...  you'll be happy to know that 'Dear Prudence ' (recorded on 8-Track) is also available for reference and you can listen to Paul's drum track isolated which is absent of the overdubs so obviously played by Ringo later on when he rejoined the band for yourself as well...  as George Martin (someone else who was there) says...  "All You Need Is..."...:-)
 

 

Check out my Emerick links in that other post. And you being in on the "Ringo did the drumming on the end of Dear Prudence !" club doesn't excactly help your own credibility.

If you don't own the White Album 50th anniversary deluxe edition with the take that doesn't yet have the bass, but already ALL the drums of Dear Prudence , thus proving Paul played all of it, just ask, I'm sure someone might point you in the right direction and provide it to you.

You and I both had our say, can we please talk respectfully from now on?

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@Illgetyou your Ken Scott link is linking to the Geoff Emerick interview.

@AppleScruffJunior, whole article if you could, it would be good written for easy reference if there are things in there that need examining, but an audio would work well enough.

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Ron Nasty said
@Illgetyou your Ken Scott link is linking to the Geoff Emerick interview.

  

Thanks, fixed it!

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So you think Giles Martin doesn't know more about these recordings that "just anybody else outside of The Beatles inner circle"? Illgetyou said

yes...  I believe that I've all ready made myself clear on that score...

Let me just say that we obviously don't get along well.Illgetyou said

I don't even know, nor do I care, who the hell you are...  I'm not here to make friends...  some of us are here to discuss The Beatles y'know...

Illgetyou said

we all listened to the isolated vocals and surprisingly everybody seems to hear something different, which I will never fully understand

you're not able to "fully understand" why "everybody seems to hear something different" until you can tear yourself away from repeatedly trying to convince everyone that it's Paul only...  I mean, have you ever even considered the possibility that the reason people hear John & Paul both is because...  ummm…  ?

Illgetyou said

 

 

If you don't own the White Album 50th anniversary deluxe edition with the take that doesn't yet have the bass, but already ALL the drums of Dear Prudence , thus proving Paul played all of it

  

still scratching my head as to why a mix without paulsbass proves that he "played all of it"...  but there is an isolated vocal track ("Guitar hero", lol) that I'm not going to bother linking you to, being a thread about 'A Day In The Life ' and all, where you can clearly here Paul's sloppy drum track bleeding over that was later covered up by Ringo...  Paul's playing is nowhere near as tight as it is on the other part that they kept...  I do own the 50th Anniversary 'White Album '...  I haven't bothered to listen to Giles' Martin's remix for I'm quite happy with the original...  you'd have a better appreciation for it, you want it?...:-)

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If Giles says it is, that's good enough for me, an infinitely better authority than some guy on the internets. I read the Google translation of the article (it's mostly spot-on except for some amusing errors), there's no way you can spend that much time and effort on original tracks and not know who is doing what. They were literally comparing takes and generations of bounces on everything: it's actually an astonishing feat of technical ability and sheer persistence. They reinvented ADT and other physical processes just to get it absolutely right. It's good to know that the old equipment still can't be bettered.

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It's Paul. Crystal clear. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

  

Yep, I think so too. Always thought it was John, but there we go. 

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If Giles says it is, that's good enough for me, an infinitely better authority than some guy on the internets. I read the Google translation of the article (it's mostly spot-on except for some amusing errors), there's no way you can spend that much time and effort on original tracks and not know who is doing what. They were literally comparing takes and generations of bounces on everything: it's actually an astonishing feat of technical ability and sheer persistence. They reinvented ADT and other physical processes just to get it absolutely right. It's good to know that the old equipment still can't be bettered.

  

Great words!

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I'm with Giles on this...... It's logical. He devoted a lot of hours to Sgt Pepper 's pre-eminent track. It was his job to do that. He had complete access to all the evidence. To go against him here calls for something more than mere 'opinion' and 'belief' it calls for hard contradictory evidence. The absence of that evidence is evidence of its absence.

There's nothing to argue about. 

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