13 November 2011
I have a bootleg album called 'Alternate Takes 1968 - A Seance In The Dark'. It contains a 50 minute version of 'Revolution 9', but it's referred to as 'Revolution 9 (The Pain at the Party)'. It starts with 'What's The New Mary Jane?'. Any info on this? Is it just an outfake? Is it a concept John was working on? If needed, I can post it, but I'm sure it's googlable.... google-able?..... able to be googled.
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17 December 2012
Without hearing it, it's a fake (hate that "outfake" term!). I know of no mix that begins with "Mary Jane", though because of similar strange instrumentation I can see how it would be easy to weld it on the beginning. The most telling thing has to be that the longest known Beatles recording is the 27:11 version of "Helter Skelter". There is no real 50-minute "Revolution 9".
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15 February 2015
A fifty-minute version of Revolution 9 would certainly be a pain at a party. Or anywhere, for that matter.
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28 March 2014
Ron Nasty said
Without hearing it, it's a fake. I know of no mix that begins with "Mary Jane", though because of similar strange instrumentation I can see how it would be easy to weld it on the beginning. There is no real 50-minute "Revolution 9".
Ya, with today's technology it would be way to easy to make your own bootlegs and people would buy it not knowing!
Especially in CD format where you can make your own printed covers and print on the CD itself. It would be the never ending collectors nightmare!
10 November 2010
In case Ron Nasty's not a reliable enough source for anyone (though he should be considered one), Bootlegzone also calls it a fake.
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1 May 2011
Its a fake for the simple reason it lasts 50 minutes which is way beyond the 27 minute 'Helter Skelter' which is famously the longest authentic genuine Beatles recording or mix. Forget every other source and focus on the studio documentation.
22 December 2013
The Strawberry said
If needed, I can post it, but I'm sure it's googlable.... google-able?..... able to be googled.
Ideally, yes, it would be great to hear it before commenting but as others here have stated it's very likely an elaborate fake. I'll atleast entertain the possibility of it being genuine but any leap in logic leads back to it being a fake. Contrary to what most people think when they hear it for the very first time, the 'Revolution #9' Sound Collage was something that John Lennon spent quite a bit of time and effort on. He wanted to paint a picture, using sound, of what he saw going on at the time and that was much chaos not only in his own world but out in the real world as well.
During 'Revolution #1' after the "Don't you know that you can count me out" lyric he quickly changes his tune to "in" immediately afterwards signaling that he hadn't yet made up his mind about supporting violence or resisting these primal urges. I always felt that he explored both options with the other two versions, during the 'Hey Jude' B-Side version his stance seems very firm and clear that he won't be joining in and "You can Count Me Out!". With 'Revolution #9', he fully immersed himself smack in the middle of the chaos and incited a bloody riot and appeared to even get lost in it all. His efforts to secure World Peace soon afterward was his salvation from the violence.
Documentation on this track's evolution from start to finish is spotty and incomplete, it's entirely possible that a "50 Minute Version" or, an 'Unfinished Music #9' did exist at one point. John culled materials from a variety of sources to deliver the desired effect, he even used bits of the Legendary 1967 'Carnival Of Light' recording according to Engineer Geoff Emerick on this track. Cutting up tape was a common method used for editing back then, think of George Martin's infamous collection of Circus/Fairground Music where after putting it all together had it cut up into smaller pieces before "flinging them into the air and joining them all back together again" on 'Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite'. This creative method was used for 'Revolution #9' as well but to an obviously much larger extent, splice noise is heard all throughout.
I wouldn't be all that surprised to learn that a "50 Minute Version" or longer was a working "template" early on (but didn't make it far past John & Yoko's bedroom), but it was eventually cut (literally!) down to the 8-Minute version we all know (and love!). It would be very unlikely that someone outside of John Lennon, Yoko Ono or George Harrison obtained a copy of the original "template" before it was heavily edited for the 'White Album'. Still would be interested in hearing this "fake" we're discussing nonetheless...:-)
1 May 2011
Sorry but there is absolutely zero chance this bootleg mix is genuine. One being the studio documentation and research done many experts over the years, the second being that if a genuine 50 minute Beatle track surfaced and was out there then it would make waves, the same way the full 10 min + 'Revolution 1' did. This mix has been out since 1998 and nothing has been mentioned of it. Its also on the TJT label, a fan label which creates their own mash-ups and has been going for years
11 November 2013
What a shame it's not real. Think of the value I would get from ignoring 15 minutes of unlistenable rubbish instead of just the 6 minutes-odd on the White Album.
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