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Rubber Soul East Coast/Dexterized" Version!
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4 January 2011 - 6.37am

Does anyone have a copy of this version. I know it was released on vinyl but is there a CD copy of this that I can purchase or download?

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4 January 2011 - 10.55am

I have never heard of this - what is it exactly?

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4 January 2011 - 6.11pm

When Rubber Soul was released in December 1965 the album was pressed by Capitol Records in Los Angeles. There was a short run of this album on vinyl pressed in the New York plant with Dave Dexter Jr. adding his famous reverb to all the stereo songs on the album. This became to be know as the East Coast Mix or 'Dexterized' version of the American release. The mono mixes are the same as the standard Capitol release with no changes.

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4 January 2011 - 6.23pm

Wow, I didn't know that "Dexterization" was still being done as late as Rubber Soul! Obviously I've never heard it - and based on the Duophonic Beatles albums that I have heard, I certainly don't want to hear it - well, maybe out of curiostiy, but never enjoyment.

Maybe the Capitol Albums box has that version?

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4 January 2011 - 7.00pm

I am trying to get all the different mixes that were available. I believe the UK and American mixes are the only ones that are different. Canada used the American mixes but all other countries used the UK versions.

Some of the mixes are interesting to hear all though they will never compare with the remastered versions from the UK. Those are awesome.

Also, the Capitol Albums Vol. 2 Rubber Soul used the Los Angeles plant version without the reverb added and not the East Coast version for the release of the box set so this version of the album will be hard to find. 

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4 January 2011 - 8.33pm

It's not on CD. Try a used record shop, there should be one where you live

 

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5 January 2011 - 5.42am

Thanks Mr. Sun King

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5 January 2011 - 4.13pm

If one were to look for it in a used record shop, are there any visual characteristics that would distinguish it from the others?

 

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5 January 2011 - 4.22pm

Zig said:

If one were to look for it in a used record shop, are there any visual characteristics that would distinguish it from the others?

 

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Supposedly, you need to look at the matrix numbers to know if you have an East Coast version. There are two copies, both are East Coast pressings with New York lacquers and are on the rainbow subsidiary label. Both play with reverb:

Record 1

Side 1 - W8 #1

Side 2 - W14 #2

Record 2

Side 1 W6 #3

Side 2 W14 #2

 


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7 January 2011 - 10.25pm

According to this page, "the only hope you have of finding one without playing it first is to check the "New Improved Full Dimensional Stereo" logo at the top of the cover. On the Dexterized version, those words appear against a white background, as opposed to appearing against the dark brown background of the cover photo. This change was made to the cover at approximately the same time that the Dexterized version of the album was issued."
Apparently Dr Ebbetts did a needledrop of it, but he's retired his archive since the 2009 remasters were released. You may be able to find it on torrent sites though.

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14 May 2012 - 6.29am

Here is a youtube link regarding the American release of 'Rubber Soul' (Dexterized Mix) for those who have never heard it before. 

Each song has added reverb and is mixed a little different. This album was also referred to as the 'East Coast Version'

http://www.youtube.com/playlis.....ature=plcp

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14 May 2012 - 1.14pm

Are they actually different US mixes? Thought they were simply the normal US mixes with added reverb. They arent included in the Back To Basics Rubber Soul release by Helter Skelter which sought to gather all the available alternates together.

 

Dr Ebbett wrote on the sleeve notes for his needle drop (taken from bootlegzone)

"The so-called "Dexterized" version of the US stereo Rubber Soul LP (ST 2442).
For those not familiar with it, it is also known by some as the "East Coast" version. It is identical the "regular" US stereo version of the Rubber Soul LP in every way except that it has a layer of reverb across the entire album. That's right. . . .Capitol reverb across the whole LP! It is not dramatic, but it is very noticeable on specific songs where the vocals are completely or partially isolated. Songs like "Girl" and "Wait" are particularly noticeable. . It can be heard clearly on a song like "Think For Yourself," which normally ends cold and dry. On the "Dexterized" version, there is a very definite echoey decay on that last note. . . In terms of the Doctor Ebbetts catalogue, the "Dexterized" version of the LP can be distinguished from the "regular" dry issue by the front artwork. The Capitol stereo banner will be above the front picture in the white border area on the "Dexterized" version. On the "regular" version, the stereo banner will be as it is now, as part of the picture. In the 1960s, Capitol issued the stereo version of Rubber Soul both ways, citing the inability to read the stereo banner clearly against the green background of the picture as the reason for placing it *above* the picture in the white border wrap-around area. . . That's how I will differentiate the two in the Dr. E series. . ."

 That youtube link goes to a page that is only viewable by the playlist owner by the way.

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meanmistermustard said
Are they actually different US mixes? Thought they were simply the normal US mixes with added reverb. They arent included in the Back To Basics Rubber Soul release by Helter Skelter which sought to gather all the available alternates together.

 

Dr Ebbett wrote on the sleeve notes for his needle drop (taken from bootlegzone)

"The so-called "Dexterized" version of the US stereo Rubber Soul LP (ST 2442).
For those not familiar with it, it is also known by some as the "East Coast" version. It is identical the "regular" US stereo version of the Rubber Soul LP in every way except that it has a layer of reverb across the entire album. That's right. . . .Capitol reverb across the whole LP! It is not dramatic, but it is very noticeable on specific songs where the vocals are completely or partially isolated. Songs like "Girl" and "Wait" are particularly noticeable. . It can be heard clearly on a song like "Think For Yourself," which normally ends cold and dry. On the "Dexterized" version, there is a very definite echoey decay on that last note. . . In terms of the Doctor Ebbetts catalogue, the "Dexterized" version of the LP can be distinguished from the "regular" dry issue by the front artwork. The Capitol stereo banner will be above the front picture in the white border area on the "Dexterized" version. On the "regular" version, the stereo banner will be as it is now, as part of the picture. In the 1960s, Capitol issued the stereo version of Rubber Soul both ways, citing the inability to read the stereo banner clearly against the green background of the picture as the reason for placing it *above* the picture in the white border wrap-around area. . . That's how I will differentiate the two in the Dr. E series. . ."

 That youtube link goes to a page that is only viewable by the playlist owner by the way.

They are not different mixes. You are correct. It just has added reverb to all the songs but I find it very interesting. The songs on this Dexterized version for me a least, seems to have more of a punch kind of like 'The Beatles Second Album' which also features some added reverb to the songs.

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Found it on YouTube (in 3 parts unfortunately.)  Would like to have all the songs individually for my iTunes. (if someone knows how, please get them to me).

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11 July 2015 - 6.45pm

Is it not in the US box that was released last year and therefore available on iTunes?

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12 July 2015 - 7.17am

meanmistermustard said
Is it not in the US box that was released last year and therefore available on iTunes?

Apparently not.  Apple came out and said that they used the 2009 recordings as they claimed the Capitol box sets were not good sounding at all. They just added a bit of reverb and a fake start to I'm Looking Through You to differentiate it a bit from the 2009 set.

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12 July 2015 - 7.44am

Oh. That US Albums Box gets worse every time i read about it. I have the unique mixes that are on it like 'Long Tall Sally' and 'I'm Looking Through You' but having not cared about the Dexterized stuff where all that was done was adding reverb to make it different I never paid much attention.

 

I get why Apple did it but its this crap they do that pisses so many off. Everyone with half a modicum of a brain cell would have put out the US Box as an exact replica of the original albums but Apple try to capture both markets (hardcore and casual) and fail as the casuals arent that bothered in the first place and the fans that did want it dont get what it should have been.

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12 July 2015 - 7.49am

 Hence we are better off with the original UK LPs or the 2009 reference CD boxsets.  And again I will praise Apple for release the 2014 mono LP set, but doubt I will ever buy it, or anything else that comes from Apple.

Like I mentioned before I have the 2009 CD sets in my iTunes and am glad I sold off the CD set, and my 2012 stereo LP set.

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meanmistermustard said
Oh. That US Albums Box gets worse every time i read about it. 

 I get why Apple did it but its this crap they do that pisses so many off. Everyone with half a modicum of a brain cell would have put out the US Box as an exact replica of the original albums but Apple try to capture both markets (hardcore and casual) and fail as the casuals arent that bothered in the first place and the fans that did want it dont get what it should have been.

If I was a US citizen, I would probably want the 2014 US set too, but I would just replace the CD's the from The Capitol box sets 2004-2006 into the 2014 set, and you'd get the dexterized versions as they were released for the first 8 LPS. It's better than nothing.

BUT, I would still be upset that they didn't include the rest of the covers like (Sgt Pepper, MMT LP, White LP, Yellow Sub, Let It Be & Abbey Road) to complete the set. You can't find those correct mini LP covers anywhere except bootlegs. paul-mccartney

Thankfully for me, I want to stay true to the UK recordings, and not someone else's. george-martin

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12 July 2015 - 7.59am

You're always better off with the UK remasters as you get all the albums originally released by the Beatles, the US Box omits many of the pre-'Revolver' albums. I get why Apple didnt include those - they were never different to the UK albums so it would cost more. all you miss is the different labels and some text - but they should have included the original US albums as released even if they weren't what the Beatles intended. 

Its the same mess that makes 'Let It Be Naked' such an irritating release; Apple wanted to revisit and amend the past to make it more listenable to the casuals and so fail to meet the actual point of the release.

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