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Two Drummers
17 September 2023
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I have a feeling this must have been discussed before, but:  As long as I can remember, post-Beatles, Ringo has always used another drummer in his performances.  I don’t think I ever remember him playing a song with him drumming on his own.  Why do you suppose this is?

IMO, even though it may not be true, it makes him look sort of weak, like he’s lacking confidence in his drumming, and he needs a crutch up there with him.  Now I respect Ringo and his drumming, he’s extremely creative, solid, and tasteful.  I would play in a band with a drummer of his ability any time.  Maybe he enjoys the camaraderie of playing with another drummer.  Maybe he doesn’t want to learn all the parts for other songs (since he tends to play with several other artists in a show, like in his All Starr Band).  Maybe it detracts from his ability to perform as a front man.  Why do you think he does this?  And do you agree that it can at least give the appearance of him being weak?

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I have a feeling this must have been discussed before, but:  As long as I can remember, post-Beatles, Ringo has always used another drummer in his performances.  I don’t think I ever remember him playing a song with him drumming on his own. Why do you think he does this?  And do you agree that it can at least give the appearance of him being weak?

  

Well, Paul has said that the songs he and John crafted specifically for Ringo’s early spotlights had to be simple enough melodically (and lyrically; and structurally) for him to sing while not neglecting his drum duties, so I guess if Ringo wants to tackle more complicated vocals and do justice to them, it’s nice to have a stand-in at the kit so he can sing undistracted. But there’s also the option of having that two-drummer sound, would maybe sound good on the glam-era hit “Back Off Boogaloo”, if he still plays that one. 

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18 September 2023
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The only real need I could imagine for two drumsets would be if you need extended drum fills while also at the same time playing continuous ride or hi-hat cymbal with one hand.  A good drummer can do quite a lot with his other hand, but there are limitations even for the best.

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One of my favourite sounds in rock (or jazz) is the sound of doubled drumkits, like the Allmans or the Dead or the other spare examples; it’s not a sound pursued too often. (Of course there’s always Santana, and other such polyrhythmic bands with a regular drummer plus conga/timbale players and whatnot, but the doubled full kit is its own special kind of vibe)

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I think Ringo has said that he enjoys the camaraderie of playing live shows with a second drummer.

And in the end

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vonbontee said
One of my favourite sounds in rock (or jazz) is the sound of doubled drumkits, like the Allmans or the Dead or the other spare examples; it’s not a sound pursued too often. (Of course there’s always Santana, and other such polyrhythmic bands with a regular drummer plus conga/timbale players and whatnot, but the doubled full kit is its own special kind of vibe)

  

What is the second drummer doing in those bands to supplement the main drummer?

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Sea Belt said

What is the second drummer doing in those bands to supplement the main drummer?

  

You mean the Allman Brothers or the Grateful Dead, for example? It’s not a case of a “main drummer” with a second supplementary one, per se, its two drummers sharing the same tempo but with different accents, different drum fills at differing times…it makes for a denser, more polyrhythmic sound

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19 September 2023
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Aside from drums, it’s very common to double the guitars on recordings to make them sound thicker.  Or sometimes there are a dozen or more guitar tracks.  And we know the Beatles often doubled their vocals to make them sound stronger.  

It’s less common with the rhythm instruments like bass and especially drums because the notes peak during a much shorter period of time, so it’s harder to get them to match up exactly.  

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