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Why do people even bother arguing about this? Isn't it exhausting?   Anyway, has Strawberry Fields Forever been mentioned already?   My favourite drum performances of Ringo are on the obvious songs Rain, ADITL, Tomorrow Never Knows. Ticket To Ride and She Said She Said. but I also love Long Long Long and Blue Jay Way. I think the drumming on those 2 songs are very cool. I also love those things he does on WMGGW and Come Together. I don't know what it is as I don't know anything about drumming, but I like it.

Yeah, he's great on Blue Jay Way. He does exactly what the song needs. 

Oh, and can everyone PLEASE stop arguing about Dear Prudence. It isn't relevant to this thread. Go make a new one.stay-on-topic

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LongHairedLady said 
  If you learn to agree to disagree on this forum it will save you a lot of grief.  a-hard-days-night-george-10

 

 

Since we're giving out free advice, try to take other's opinions that differ from your own "on this forum" not so personally, it's only an "argument" when it becomes personal.  When two completely different viewpoints are well thought out and presented, it makes for excellent discussion, not just for those actively involved, but especially those reading or listening in.

 

The only evidence that I see here being touted in the case supporting Paul supposedly playing is second-hand information, or "hearsay" which would be non-admissible in just about any Court (except Kangaroo, maybe).  I stated that the video I posted was "concrete proof that the drums were overdubbed", do you not know what "overdubbed" means?  It means that the drums heard on the final mix were recorded after Paul played the reference track.  Yes, it's still possible that Paul later on during the day of August 28, 1968 went from doing his best Pete Best imitation and turned into Richard Starkey, M.B.E., but not likely.  Yes, the video IS "concrete proof that the drums were overdubbed", which gets us one step closer to "the truth", you said "don't count on it" before you even gave the evidence a listen when talking about "changing my (your) mind" which speaks volumes on your desire to know "the truth".  If you have any "concrete evidence" of your own, I'd love to hear it, sincerely.

 

Check out this short video of George Martin & Ringo discussing his signature drum style, at 0.54 sec George Martin talks about this before Ringo elaborates on his technical explanation afterwards:

 

 

 

This "no doubt about it at all" signature that George Martin speaks of is what seals it for me.  This thread is the first time that I've even ever heard of Paul playing the drums on 'Dear Prudence' in all my years of following The Beatles, and my first reaction was "what?  that's not him" based on what I know as Ringo the drummer.  When more than one person suggested this possibility, I began to scour the net for more information and what I got was exactly what's being thrown around here, opinions based solely on second-hand information when the tracks tell a different tale.  I'm very open to hearing any other evidence supporting Paul's case (it'd be a great question for his 'You Gave Me The Answer' feature of his website) with an open mind, but there doesn't appear to be anything else.  And for those suggesting that this is "off-topic", In a thread about 'Best Drum Performances by Ringo?', 'Dear Prudence' has to enter the discussion.  And if someone else comes along and says "it is Paul", don't expect everyone to so readily accept Mark Lewisohn's book as gospel...:-)

  

 

 

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29 December 2013 - 7.46pm

Billy Rhythm said

LongHairedLady said 
  If you learn to agree to disagree on this forum it will save you a lot of grief.  a-hard-days-night-george-10

 

 

Since we're giving out free advice, try to take other's opinions that differ from your own "on this forum" not so personally, it's only an "argument" when it becomes personal.  When two completely different viewpoints are well thought out and presented, it makes for excellent discussion, not just for those actively involved, but especially those reading or listening in.

 

The only evidence that I see here being touted in the case supporting Paul supposedly playing is second-hand information, or "hearsay" which would be non-admissible in just about any Court (except Kangaroo, maybe).  I stated that the video I posted was "concrete proof that the drums were overdubbed", do you not know what "overdubbed" means?  It means that the drums heard on the final mix were recorded after Paul played the reference track.  Yes, it's still possible that Paul later on during the day of August 28, 1968 went from doing his best Pete Best imitation and turned into Richard Starkey, M.B.E., but not likely.  Yes, the video IS "concrete proof that the drums were overdubbed", which gets us one step closer to "the truth", you said "don't count on it" before you even gave the evidence a listen when talking about "changing my (your) mind" which speaks volumes on your desire to know "the truth".  If you have any "concrete evidence" of your own, I'd love to hear it, sincerely.

 

Check out this short video of George Martin & Ringo discussing his signature drum style, at 0.54 sec George Martin talks about this before Ringo elaborates on his technical explanation afterwards:

 

 

 

This "no doubt about it at all" signature that George Martin speaks of is what seals it for me.  This thread is the first time that I've even ever heard of Paul playing the drums on 'Dear Prudence' in all my years of following The Beatles, and my first reaction was "what?  that's not him" based on what I know as Ringo the drummer.  When more than one person suggested this possibility, I began to scour the net for more information and what I got was exactly what's being thrown around here, opinions based solely on second-hand information when the tracks tell a different tale.  I'm very open to hearing any other evidence supporting Paul's case (it'd be a great question for his 'You Gave Me The Answer' feature of his website) with an open mind, but there doesn't appear to be anything else.  And for those suggesting that this is "off-topic", In a thread about 'Best Drum Performances by Ringo?', 'Dear Prudence' has to enter the discussion.  And if someone else comes along and says "it is Paul", don't expect everyone to so readily accept Mark Lewisohn's book as gospel...:-)

  

 

 

Now you are just being insulting.  I know what overdubbed means, but thanks for insulting my intelligence.  

The video just proves that somebody overdubbed, but it doesn't prove who it was.

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

Why do people even bother arguing about this? Isn't it exhausting?   Anyway, has Strawberry Fields Forever been mentioned already?   My favourite drum performances of Ringo are on the obvious songs Rain, ADITL, Tomorrow Never Knows. Ticket To Ride and She Said She Said. but I also love Long Long Long and Blue Jay Way. I think the drumming on those 2 songs are very cool. I also love those things he does on WMGGW and Come Together. I don't know what it is as I don't know anything about drumming, but I like it.

Yeah, he's great on Blue Jay Way. He does exactly what the song needs. 

Oh, and can everyone PLEASE stop arguing about Dear Prudence. It isn't relevant to this thread. Go make a new one.stay-on-topic

Why don't you take this advice and start your own thread if you want to continue this?  I am done with your assumptions and condescending comments.  

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29 December 2013 - 8.03pm

^^^^ Hey lads, play nice.

Give Peace A Chance and all, agree to disagree :) (And no insulting other people, we're generally a polite bunch)

 

Anyhoo, 'What You're Doing' has good drumming, me thinks

 

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29 December 2013 - 8.20pm

^ I already suggested the "agree to disagree" but Mr. Rythum doesn't want to let it go. 

Anyroad, back to Ringo's drumming.  I absolutely LOVE the Anthology version of "Your Mother Should Know".  Very fab.  ahdn_ringo_09

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29 December 2013 - 8.27pm

I'm blown away by Ringo's drumming on "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" during the "Mother Superior" section.

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29 December 2013 - 8.34pm

AppleScruffJunior said
^^^^ Hey lads, play nice.

Give Peace A Chance and all, agree to disagree :) (And no insulting other people, we're generally a polite bunch)

 

Anyhoo, 'What You're Doing' has good drumming, me thinks

Yeah, I love the A Capella drums. 

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^ I already suggested the "agree to disagree" but Mr. Rythum doesn't want to let it go. 

Anyroad, back to Ringo's drumming.  I absolutely LOVE the Anthology version of "Your Mother Should Know".  Very fab.  ahdn_ringo_09

And yeah, the military drum rolls on Your Mother Should Know are great.

To throw in mine, I'd say Please Please Me, really compliments the harmonica and guitar breaks.

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29 December 2013 - 11.05pm

Ooh! Everyone's talking drums! Or is that arguing drums?

if I may "chip in", those of us of a certain vintage believed for years it was Ringo on Dear Prudence, after years of listening it's very difficult to get your head around the fact it *might* be Paul.

Yes, there was a drum overdub, but in my opinion based solely on the style and feel of the drumming (putting to one side the facts/dates etc), I have to say it's Paul. The performance is very reminiscent of his work on the McCartney album-the style, feel, and energy are such a close match it has to be Paul. The fills are too hurried, and starting on the snare, Ringo would in all probability lead with most of his fills off the hi-hat or from the tom, returning to interplay with the snare. There's also far too much cymbal work for Ringo. Also, the hi-hat work on the verses is far too "stiff" for Ringo-he was incredibly fluid on his hi-hats. Paul plays in a similar style to Ringo, not quite as behind the beat, but there nonetheless. This is where the confusion lies.

Back on topic, my faves? At the moment, Long, Long, Long, and Cry Baby Cry. Quite brilliant performances with tonnes of atmosphere.

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First, greetings to all from Alaska. Allow me to add to this discussion of Ringo's drumming. The song 'Rain' has been commented on as one of his better works, and I've always felt that way myself. But on closer listening to those crisp little triplets he uses at the start and the (played backward) reprise, I realize it's the same break as used by Keith Moon on The Who's 'I Can't Explain'. Give a listen....exactly the same break. I know the Beatles paid attention to The Who, but I never noted anyone even noticing the similarities of these drum breaks. Comments?

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5 January 2014 - 10.03pm

Day in the Life drums are amazing. He used the sections where John is not singing perfectly. I also like In My Life, although it is simple it sounds great with the guitars. Also, Day Tripper the tambourine works great with the overdubbed drums.  Got to You In To My Life has some good drums.

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Alaskan said
First, greetings to all from Alaska. Allow me to add to this discussion of Ringo's drumming. The song 'Rain' has been commented on as one of his better works, and I've always felt that way myself. But on closer listening to those crisp little triplets he uses at the start and the (played backward) reprise, I realize it's the same break as used by Keith Moon on The Who's 'I Can't Explain'. Give a listen....exactly the same break. I know the Beatles paid attention to The Who, but I never noted anyone even noticing the similarities of these drum breaks. Comments?

'Rain' does have very good drums. (I'm listening to it right now on vinyl.) You're right about the 'I Can't Explain'.

We were talking about the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion.

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Here's a guy doing a reasonable cover of Ringo on 'Rain'

 

 

http://youtu.be/XSSdCeP9yv4

 

Below is Pete Townsend's summing up of Keith Moon's style

 

http://youtu.be/KLMc6J9h3mU

 

 

I don't think Ringo was bothered enough to copy much………just did his thing. 

 

Perhaps being a left-hander on a right-handed drum kit helped Ringo sound like …….."Ringo"

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8 January 2014 - 2.27pm

I posted this ages ago on a far-away thread (though I don't remember it being a tiny vid). I love the stick twirl he does a minute in.

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5 February 2014 - 7.16pm

Now I've got blisters on me fingers! a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

I've always liked the subtle beat in "All You Need Is Love"

other favorites are "Ticket To Ride", "Rain","She loves you".

And the groove between the guitar and his drumming on "I found out" from the plastic Ono record.

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Hey, this is back! 

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6 February 2014 - 2.18pm

Ever moment is a great drum performance by Ringo!

But seriously:

  1. The End
  2. Rain
  3. Drive My Car
  4. I Feel Fine
  5. Oh Darling
  6. Strawberry Fields
  7. Good Morning, Good Morning (youtube has those isolated drum tracks of this song and when Ringo does the triplet pattern on the hats but does straight eight notes on the bass--amazing! Plus double bass--didn't know he could do that!))
  8. In My Life (who would've thought of whacking the snare as he does as opposed to a sidestick due to the majesty of the song? Only Ringo!)
  9. Come Together
  10. Hello Goodbye (love how each fill is different throughout the song)

So much more too!

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I love Ringo's drumming, particularly what I refer to as his manic drumming. Examples include 'Rain', 'Tomorrow Never Knows' and the end of 'Strawberry Fields Forever'. It is hard to argue with 'The End' as it contains his only drum solo on a Beatles studio album.

That video upthread posted by Joe is very cool. I would never have noticed that brief twirl of the stick he mentioned.

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I was hesitant to start what might be a short-lived topic, but thought "Ringo moments" might be general enough to last awhile in this forum.  I couldn't find a topic addressing Ringo at all...and it just seemed better here than in the Ringo topic.

I ran across these comments and the youtube (which is arguably not  the top 10 - omitting Helter Skelter and She Said She Said, or pick your favorite Ringo song) in my g+ feed, and wondered if it makes sense to you:

Tom Mack says: "Rain was Ringo's most impressive drumming, fact is he even claimed it was his favorite to play on and never had the chance to play like that with the Beatles afterwords.

Ringo was a left handed drummer playing a right handed kit... that is one reason he's so distinct.Now drummers would understand this...

When he leads for a fill... he's late and moves right to left really well but not left to right.

When he regains from a fill... he's usually late and is slack again.

Now you're probably thinking "Late?" isn't that bad? NO not at all is a natural syncopation... and is usually difficult for some drummers - outside a jazz trained beast - to keep."

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@Matt Busby, I moved your post into this thread. I think you will like some of the other posts in the thread.

I would like for this thread to remain about Ringo's work while The Beatles were together as a group. If someone wants to start a "Ringo song fragments that grab you" for his solo career that would be fantastic. I will put this note in the first post in this thread so it doesn't become buried.

Just a friendly reminder to one and all, check post one of a thread for guidance on that thread. If you see any threads that need a updated note placed in the first post of the thread (the thread seems to have broadened scope as it went along, for example), please let a mod know and we can take care of it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....vmwhqGciA4

(sounds so simple and straightforward but i doubt it really is)

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What Goes On - i love everything about the song and the drums are fabulous despite no fills or deviation from the pattern until the very end.

Have said before many a time i could listen to Ringo's isolated drum track from any Beatles song and remain happy and never bored. Heck, i've posted all of this elsewhere. A mention should go to the manic drums in Oh! Darling going into "when you told told me...".

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