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meanmistermustard

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25 October 2013 - 4.23pm

mja6758 said
I do dislike it when people talk as if Magical Mystery Tour is a part of the run of albums conceived and created by The Beatles. The Beatles release of Magical Mystery Tour was a double ep which contained songs only from the film. The album was a compilation assembled by Capitol without any input from the group. It is the greatest of the Capitol compilations, and I realise that it's how much of the rest of the world grew to know the songs, but it is not one of the string of original Beatles albums.

The confusion comes nowadays as MMT has been added to the core Beatles albums (the studio albums from '63 to '70 and Past Masters) and sold that way. Buy the stereo boxset and there it is, right between Pepper and the White Album. People have accepted it as one of their self-created albums because of this.

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25 October 2013 - 10.32pm

mja6758 said
I do dislike it when people talk as if Magical Mystery Tour is a part of the run of albums conceived and created by The Beatles. The Beatles release of Magical Mystery Tour was a double ep which contained songs only from the film. The album was a compilation assembled by Capitol without any input from the group. It is the greatest of the Capitol compilations, and I realise that it's how much of the rest of the world grew to know the songs, but it is not one of the string of original Beatles albums.

 

I do dislike it when people assume you know everything. I didn't know this, okay?

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26 October 2013 - 10.56am

Linde said

mja6758 said
I do dislike it when people talk as if Magical Mystery Tour is a part of the run of albums conceived and created by The Beatles. The Beatles release of Magical Mystery Tour was a double ep which contained songs only from the film. The album was a compilation assembled by Capitol without any input from the group. It is the greatest of the Capitol compilations, and I realise that it's how much of the rest of the world grew to know the songs, but it is not one of the string of original Beatles albums.

 I do dislike it when people assume you know everything. I didn't know this, okay?

My humblest apologies, Linde. My reply wasn't really aimed directly at you, but at that it was third or fourth time I was making the point on the site since June. And as I'm sure you can imagine, it gets frustrating to keep making the same point. So when I said "people", I really did mean it as a general "people" and not "Linde in particular".

I first got frustrated when I saw someone argue it was better than Sgt. Pepper and a lot of the other "higher-profile" albums. I gave a big long response explaining why it could not be compared to any of those albums.

I expressed my disappointment that when they released the "canon" on CD, that MMT was included. It breaks with how they represented it. The Beatles as originally released in the UK with the non-album tracks collected on Past Masters (oh! oops! except for MMT!). Myself, though I definitely would have released the American album as a standalone later, with all its artwork, I would have had that big UK 1967 hole in Past Masters filled by their 1967 non-album tracks (which just happens to be the Capitol MMT).

To me that is really where PM falls down. It gives the impression that 1967 was the only year that there were no off-album tracks.

Again, I hope you will forgive me. My frustration was not aimed at you, I just found myself expressing it in response to your comment.

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26 October 2013 - 2.37pm

I see why you get frustrated, mja, but you should bear in mind what Linde said, and also that most young people assume MMT is another one of the albums because it was released that way, as you clearly explain above.

Linde, I thought the same as you for ages before I realised, so you're not alone heartheart  I used to get really confused with all the info I came across online - so much to process all at once when you're new to a completely unfamiliar world!

 

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26 October 2013 - 10.28pm

I can see where you are coming from mja, but personally I think this is one of the better decisions they have made for a while.  It is just such a great package and means we don't have to buy it a 2nd time while already owning half the tracks.

I'm not sure when the US version of the LP was released here in Australia but I know it is the version I had many years back, we also had the "Hey Jude" 'album' released here.

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26 October 2013 - 10.54pm

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I can see where you are coming from mja, but personally I think this is one of the better decisions they have made for a while.  It is just such a great package and means we don't have to buy it a 2nd time while already owning half the tracks.

I'm not sure when the US version of the LP was released here in Australia but I know it is the version I had many years back, we also had the "Hey Jude" 'album' released here.

Past Masters included every non-album track, so all of the MMT tracks fitted its brief, of collating all the tracks that did not appear on a UK album.

The Capitol MMT was released in the UK in 1976. It was the first version of those songs I owned. It's a great album. I would happily have bought a CD reissue of it even if I already had the songs. After all, I have approaching 100 official albums/CDs that are all drawn from the same catalogue.

 

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26 October 2013 - 11.06pm

mja6758 said

trcanberra said
I can see where you are coming from mja, but personally I think this is one of the better decisions they have made for a while.  It is just such a great package and means we don't have to buy it a 2nd time while already owning half the tracks.

I'm not sure when the US version of the LP was released here in Australia but I know it is the version I had many years back, we also had the "Hey Jude" 'album' released here.

Past Masters included every non-album track, so all of the MMT tracks fitted its brief, of collating all the tracks that did not appear on a UK album.

The Capitol MMT was released in the UK in 1976. It was the first version of those songs I owned. It's a great album. I would happily have bought a CD reissue of it even if I already had the songs. After all, I have approaching 100 official albums/CDs that are all drawn from the same catalogue.

 

What did you have in mind for your preferred version of the CD versions and the 2009 remaster box?  I guess they could have had "Magical Mystery Tour" as an 'EP on CD', at a budget price when sold separately, and the other 5 tracks off the US release on "Past Masters"?

[EDIT] Or the whole thing on "Past Masters" - which probably would have added a CD to that set and they could have had the 24 pager in there?

 

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26 October 2013 - 11.21pm

I would have included the whole thing. After all, PM does already include the Long Tall Sally ep. No need for a 3rd CD either. PM works out at about 94 minutes, MMT about 36, which would give a double of about 130 minutes. 30 minutes below max length.

I already have it added to my version of PM on my computer. Makes much more sense of the album not having it jump from Rain to Lady Madonna.

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27 October 2013 - 12.24am

mja6758 said
I would have included the whole thing. After all, PM does already include the Long Tall Sally ep. No need for a 3rd CD either. PM works out at about 94 minutes, MMT about 36, which would give a double of about 130 minutes. 30 minutes below max length.

I already have it added to my version of PM on my computer. Makes much more sense of the album not having it jump from Rain to Lady Madonna.

Good plan!

With those running times it would have fitted in nicely, and they could have included the 'mystery tour' booklet in the gatefold.

Erm - think I'll try to get back on topic with my next post, which album were we discussing again? :)

 

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27 October 2013 - 1.24am

mja6758 said
I do dislike it when people talk as if Magical Mystery Tour is a part of the run of albums conceived and created by The Beatles.

ME TOO. paul-mccartneypaul-mccartneypaul-mccartney

 

Revolver is definitely not underrated. I don''t think I've ever heard somebody call Sgt. Pepper's their favorite Beatles album, it's almost always either Revolver, The White Album, or Abbey Road.

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27 October 2013 - 3.17am

Yes, I do understand that Magical Mystery Tour wasn't an original album, but I personally feel that the best way it's represented is in the Capitol release (they actually did something right for once). However, in no way is MMT better than Sgt. Pepper. That's ridiculous. Btw Abbey Road is my favorite.

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27 October 2013 - 10.25am

Past Masters nor Yellow Submarine exist on my computer, cut them up and put all the songs back into their relevant point in Beatleland (the Martin scores are with the '99 remix album and dvd 5.1 isolations). MMT has been restored to its EP tracklisting with Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane added to the Pepper folder.

 

Is Revolver underrated!?

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27 October 2013 - 5.04pm

@Mja Oh I wasn't offended in the first place, no worries! I know how frustrating it is when people get easy facts wrong and you constantly have to tell them they're wrong and tell them how it is. I'm just glad I know it now. I never really got into all that record company crap or into the way everthing was distributed and stuff.

You can't really compare albums with each other and say that one is better than another, but you can say which one you prefer. It's all a matter of taste. I know people who only like everything they did pre 1965 and people who are the other way around.

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27 October 2013 - 9.51pm

While you may debate what is at number one, further evidence that Revolver is not 'criminally underrated':

NME's top 25 albums of all time

1. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead

2. The Beatles – Revolver

 

 

 

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29 October 2013 - 12.07am

trcanberra said
While you may debate what is at number one, further evidence that Revolver is not 'criminally underrated':

NME's top 25 albums of all time

1. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead

2. The Beatles – Revolver

 
  

 "Greatest Albums" lists are subjective.

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29 October 2013 - 1.01am

^ Indeed.  I was merely suggesting that it is difficult to consider an album 'criminally underrated' if a popular publication considers it the 2nd best album ever.

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29 October 2013 - 11.29pm

trcanberra said
^ Indeed.  I was merely suggesting that it is difficult to consider an album 'criminally underrated' if a popular publication considers it the 2nd best album ever.

I agree. However, when discussing the Beatles' best albums, Sgt. Pepper is quite often considered superior to Revolver. Not that I agree with that.

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15 November 2013 - 3.26am

I think they were at thier creative peak. w/revolver.George really started to shine w/taxman-2,John was experimenting more..with tomm never knows my personal favorite on revolver..

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breatle62 said

I think they were at thier creative peak. w/revolver.George really started to shine w/taxman-2,John was experimenting more..with tomm never knows my personal favorite on revolver..

Yeah, I agree with you. It is probably because that is when they were actually getting their own ideas. The start of it because the White Album is where they found themselves.

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19 November 2013 - 4.37pm

IMO it's not underrated. There are a lot of other under rated albums like Beatles For Sale, and With The Beatles

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