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Will the Remasters be Remastered (bettered)?
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Father McCartney
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4 March 2013 - 8.07pm

I wonder, has remastering technology peaked (in terms of what it can do with the Beatles' original material)? Are our current remasters really the best the Beatles will ever sound?

I remember, for instance, that when DVD came out all the attendant fanfare declared the film quality had now reached its 'ultimate'; yet now we have Blu-Ray (appreciably superior). There is already vying between which format will supercede Blu Ray, and the film quality, of course, will be upgraded once more...

Will we be paying more money at some point to replace our remasters with something even more wonderously clean and crisp, or have we really reached the plateau?

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Ron Nasty
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4 March 2013 - 8.35pm

I would say, awkwardly, yes and no. While there is the probability that some improvements may be able to be made to The Beatles "original" mixes, we are pretty much there with them. However, there is the whole question of remixing The Beatles recordings, and by this I am not talking about adding anything, but more the Yellow Submarine Songtrack, and how much easier technology is allowing the turning of two-track and four-track recordings into multi-track recordings is becoming, I'm sure the day will arrive when - especially with those early recordings - each constituent part will be able to be lifted off onto an individual tracks - John vocal, Paul vocal, George vocal, lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, drums - remove the bleed through from other instruments onto each, and then mix them from what would basically be a new tape. Instead of music to the left and vocals to the right, true stereo pictures would be able to be created.

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DrBeatle
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4 March 2013 - 8.56pm

At what point, though, are you starting to tamper with the original art? I understand that, whether music or film, many people were hampered by the technology of their time, but at what point do you leave it as is? (this is not an attack, rather a philosophical question).

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Ron Nasty
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4 March 2013 - 9.21pm

DrBeatle said
At what point, though, are you starting to tamper with the original art? I understand that, whether music or film, many people were hampered by the technology of their time, but at what point do you leave it as is? (this is not an attack, rather a philosophical question).

I agree. It's a difficult question. But then we know that shortsightedness at the time didn't even allow them to be seen as they wanted at the time. The destruction of master tapes for many of the early singles, once the single's mono master was completed, mean we don't even have the compromised stereo mixes that would have been produced at the time, but "fake" stereo mixes that were produced from the mono masters. I'm not suggesting these things should be done, though the YS Songtrack does contain some of my preferred mixes. The "could" and the "should" are certainly interesting questions though.

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meanmistermustard

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5 March 2013 - 10.53am

I think the mixes that we have now in the remastered mono and stereo boxes will always be available, even if in 100 years time we also have remixes and access to the masters to do as we want. When YSS came out in 1999 (and to some extent Let It Be Naked in 2003) it was made clear that the originals would remain available and i dont see Apple, with whoever running the show, altering that - there would be too much fuss from the fans and everyone else. Its one thing cleaning up a movie or song but to change aspects of the picture or the song for improvement generally end up making it worse.

The worst extreme of 'enhancement' is turning b&w movies into colour, many of Laurel and Hardy's classic films were altered and they look far worse to me. Can you imagine the effect that would have on A Hard Days Night (im surprised to see Casablanca was colourised in the 80's)? (Apple colourised All You Need Is Love for the Anthology but there we had seen colour photos for years and it seemed natural, especially when it started out b&w and blossomed depicting the changes in the times.)

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robert
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5 March 2013 - 12.21pm

The answer is "YES" to a total catalogue reissue for the simple reason that in a few years there will be newer technology and more importantly, a new market of people ready to buy more product.

 

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vonbontee
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5 March 2013 - 10.10pm

meanmistermustard said

(Apple colourised All You Need Is Love for the Anthology but there we had seen colour photos for years and it seemed natural, especially when it started out b&w and blossomed depicting the changes in the times.)

Agreed, I've got no ethical problems with the colouring of documentary material, so long as the colouring can be ascertained as historically accurate. Just don't let 'em try to do it to A Hard Days' Night or I'll be horrified.

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Funny Paper
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6 March 2013 - 10.22am

As I've said before, I just don't get "remastering".  The originals are just fine with me, I don't need anything more, thank you very much. 

I believe the classic phrase "gilding the lily" fits excruciatingly well here.

 

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Gerard
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6 March 2013 - 11.20am

In my opinion it's all about the money, and maybe a little bit of convenience.

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RunForYourLife
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8 March 2013 - 6.15am

I'll probably get an earful for this, but so long as it's never treated as anything more than a nifty bonus, I'd like to see a (tastefully) colorized A Hard Day's Night simply out of curiosity. And I say that as someone who enjoys the aesthetics of black-and-white film.

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vonbontee
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8 March 2013 - 6.38pm

*shrugs* Eh, as long as its existence is treated as nothing but a curio, and doesn't in any way infringe on the easy availibility of the original, I suppose I could live with the existence of such a thing as a colourized AHDN, but I reserve the right to scorn anybody who prefers it to the original!

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RunForYourLife
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8 March 2013 - 7.13pm

vonbontee said
*shrugs* Eh, as long as its existence is treated as nothing but a curio, and doesn't in any way infringe on the easy availibility of the original, I suppose I could live with the existence of such a thing as a colourized AHDN, but I reserve the right to scorn anybody who prefers it to the original!

I agree. I was thinking of something like a bonus on a second disc. The black and white is an integral part of the film, I'd just like to see a colorized version as a novelty.

 

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vonbontee
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8 March 2013 - 10.15pm

I understood! You said "novelty", I said "curio". (But a curse upon any DVD manufacturer who deletes the currently available version UN-available, except as part of a higher-priced "deluxe" package including colourized version, T-shirt and special set of pint mugs.)

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Egroeg Evoli
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10 March 2013 - 4.45pm

vonbontee said
I understood! You said "novelty", I said "curio". (But a curse upon any DVD manufacturer who deletes the currently available version UN-available, except as part of a higher-priced "deluxe" package including colourized version, T-shirt and special set of pint mugs.)

I'd buy that if it wasn't colorized.

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Linde
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12 March 2013 - 10.40pm

RunForYourLife said
I'll probably get an earful for this, but so long as it's never treated as anything more than a nifty bonus, I'd like to see a (tastefully) colorized A Hard Day's Night simply out of curiosity. And I say that as someone who enjoys the aesthetics of black-and-white film.

Same here, always wondered what it looks like. There's a lot you don't know. For instance, I only recently found out they actually wear blue suits in that film!

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DrBeatle
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13 March 2013 - 12.39pm

Linde said

RunForYourLife said
I'll probably get an earful for this, but so long as it's never treated as anything more than a nifty bonus, I'd like to see a (tastefully) colorized A Hard Day's Night simply out of curiosity. And I say that as someone who enjoys the aesthetics of black-and-white film.

Same here, always wondered what it looks like. There's a lot you don't know. For instance, I only recently found out they actually wear blue suits in that film!

No kidding?! I always assumed those were grey suits :lol: Black and white is cool but it really does seem like a different/parallel world sometimes. I remember as a kid how jarring it was to see B&W photos or footage of them and then seeing color pictures taken by someone else at the same event/concert/session...hell, it's still jarring (but cool) now!

 

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13 March 2013 - 9.26pm

I agree. I think A Hard Day's Night should be released in 3 new sets. A deluxe set, include a black and white version, colorized version, and bonus material, and then the two by themselves with the bonus material. I love black and white films. There's some films you just can't watch in color. If Psycho was released in color, I wouldn't buy it... ever. But The Beatles are something that can go either way.

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vonbontee
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13 March 2013 - 9.32pm

Maybe they should release a special B&W version of Magical Mystery Tour to simulate its original British TV broadcast, too.

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Ron Nasty
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13 March 2013 - 10.08pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That I would go for. That would be true to the times. Like the mono and the stereo. I wouldn't watch a colourized AHDN if I was paid to. It's not how it was conceptualized.

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Little Piggy Dragonguy
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13 March 2013 - 11.41pm

MMT wasn't conceptualized in black and white, they didn't like it being played in black and white. I do think a colorized AHDN would probably look horrible, I've never seen a colorized movie that looked good.

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